Signings, Cuts, Trades

[BoredMarine13]

And I'm not disagreeing there. He's a really good player. But his pro bowl status is going to have no bearing in trade negotiations. Solely looks good on paper.

What do you think he’s worth on the market? I think two number 1s is unrealistic but If he must go, I think a fair trade is a 1 and 3. I hope we don’t get rid of him though , would be a shame to lose a talented and versatile player with no replacement in line.


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[BoredMarine13]

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/new...predictions-send-kenny-golladay-to-the-ravens

Lots of people predict Golladay to the Ravens. Can we even afford any a free agent WR? We desperately need someone who can beat man coverage but i think it’s more likely we go bargain shopping


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[rmcjacket23]

What do you think he’s worth on the market? I think two number 1s is unrealistic but If he must go, I think a fair trade is a 1 and 3. I hope we don’t get rid of him though , would be a shame to lose a talented and versatile player with no replacement in line.


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1st plus a day 2 or 3 pick.

I'll go on record right now... no team in the league will offer two first round picks for him. If I'm wrong, happy wrong. It won't happen. So if people are arbitrarily putting his value there, he will be a Raven in 2021 because no team will agree to that value.

 

[Simba]

What do you think he’s worth on the market? I think two number 1s is unrealistic but If he must go, I think a fair trade is a 1 and 3. I hope we don’t get rid of him though , would be a shame to lose a talented and versatile player with no replacement in line.


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I’d think long and hard if someone offered a 1, but I’m not convinced anyone will. Think a 2 plus more is more realistic.

 

[rmcjacket23]

What do you think he’s worth on the market? I think two number 1s is unrealistic but If he must go, I think a fair trade is a 1 and 3. I hope we don’t get rid of him though , would be a shame to lose a talented and versatile player with no replacement in line.


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I think the value in that article is accurate. Probably in the $17-18M per year range.

Could he be a Raven? Maybe. I think a) you'd have to backload the crap out of the deal and b) it would make it extremely difficult, borderline impossible, to retain anybody else of significant value. Judon and Yannick would certainly be gone at that point, I suspect Bowser would be tough to re-sign, and you can kiss any chance of a decent FA Oline signing to be gone.

And that's all assuming we don't give Lamar an extension, which would obviously push his cap number up at least several million and make it more difficult to sign anybody.

 

[rossihunter2]

I’d think long and hard if someone offered a 1, but I’m not convinced anyone will. Think a 2 plus more is more realistic.

for me it would have to be a 1+ to consider it - anything less and there's no reason to trade him away

i love draft picks but unless that 1 is a top 15 pick there's no way im just taking a 1 for a high quality starting tackle even if he does only have a year left on his contract

at that point i'd rather have the player for a year

and if no team is going to offer that then ive got absolutely no issue keeping orlando for as long as we can...

 

[Simba]

for me it would have to be a 1+ to consider it - anything less and there's no reason to trade him away

i love draft picks but unless that 1 is a top 15 pick there's no way im just taking a 1 for a high quality starting tackle even if he does only have a year left on his contract

at that point i'd rather have the player for a year

and if no team is going to offer that then ive got absolutely no issue keeping orlando for as long as we can...

And that's why I think this is a difficult trade. I know the draft is inherently risky and not a sure thing, but I'm not trading a high 1 with how deep this OT class is. I'll take my chances on a Darrisaw or someone like that rather than give up that pick AND a huge contract. If an offer of a 1 is coming in, I'd think it has to be something at the back half and likely even the late 20s at the most.

 

[rossihunter2]

And that's why I think this is a difficult trade. I know the draft is inherently risky and not a sure thing, but I'm not trading a high 1 with how deep this OT class is. I'll take my chances on a Darrisaw or someone like that rather than give up that pick AND a huge contract. If an offer of a 1 is coming in, I'd think it has to be something at the back half and likely even the late 20s at the most.

which is why ill be very surprised if this deal ever happens - i see no way the ravens let him go without a haul in return - and im not sure there's many teams that would even consider giving up a 1 let alone more

 

[JAAM]

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/new...predictions-send-kenny-golladay-to-the-ravens

Lots of people predict Golladay to the Ravens. Can we even afford any a free agent WR? We desperately need someone who can beat man coverage but i think it’s more likely we go bargain shopping


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Interesting how they chose Golladay over Robinson. I’d be happy with either one though

 

[Simba]

Interesting how they chose Golladay over Robinson. I’d be happy with either one though

Golladay is a stud as well. Just has more health issues than Robinson, which I think would keep the price down a little bit. He's still getting paid, though.

 

[JAAM]

Golladay is a stud as well. Just has more health issues than Robinson, which I think would keep the price down a little bit. He's still getting paid, though.

I agree. Love to have him here. That article had us giving him around 18 million a year over 4 years I believe

 

[rossihunter2]

Golladay is a stud as well. Just has more health issues than Robinson, which I think would keep the price down a little bit. He's still getting paid, though.

idk - they're the same age but robinson's already had a big deal on a 2nd contract whereas Golladay's never had that taste - no way golladay's price comes down at all tbh

it's pretty amazing tbh that Robinson's going into his 8th year in the league and only turns 28 this august lol
Golladay's 28 in november but only just hitting his 5th season

 

[rossihunter2]

I agree. Love to have him here. That article had us giving him around 18 million a year over 4 years I believe

this made me look at the WR contracts in the NFL
and it's a mess up at the top:

Hopkins at 27.25m/yr
Julio at 22m/yr
Keenan Allen at 20.025m/yr
Amari Cooper at 20m/yr
Michael Thomas at 19.25m/yr
AJ Green at 18.17m/yr (now a free agent)
OBJ at 18/yr
Tyreek at 18/yr

the value on free agent WRs is bad lol - Tyreek's good value but that's because they got him at a reduced rate during an offseason where there was some thought he might be in a lot of trouble

the best value deals start after this top group

mike evans at 16.5/yr
Landry at 15.1/yr
Davante Adams at 14.5/yr
Diggs at 14.4/yr
Robinson at 14/yr (now a free agent)

obviously a lot of this is about inflation and massive demand but idk that teams are getting great value

 

[Simba]

idk - they're the same age but robinson's already had a big deal on a 2nd contract whereas Golladay's never had that taste - no way golladay's price comes down at all tbh

it's pretty amazing tbh that Robinson's going into his 8th year in the league and only turns 28 this august lol
Golladay's 28 in november but only just hitting his 5th season

Oh I think Golladay is going to try to max out. I just think there's going to be more money offered to Robinson than there will be to Golladay. It's still going to be a lot either way, though.

Edit to add: as far a guaranteed money goes. Robinson is likely to get more.

 

[JAAM]

this made me look at the WR contracts in the NFL
and it's a mess up at the top:

Hopkins at 27.25m/yr
Julio at 22m/yr
Keenan Allen at 20.025m/yr
Amari Cooper at 20m/yr
Michael Thomas at 19.25m/yr
AJ Green at 18.17m/yr (now a free agent)
OBJ at 18/yr
Tyreek at 18/yr

the value on free agent WRs is bad lol - Tyreek's good value but that's because they got him at a reduced rate during an offseason where there was some thought he might be in a lot of trouble

the best value deals start after this top group

mike evans at 16.5/yr
Landry at 15.1/yr
Davante Adams at 14.5/yr
Diggs at 14.4/yr
Robinson at 14/yr (now a free agent)

obviously a lot of this is about inflation and massive demand but idk that teams are getting great value

Interesting. Golladay isn’t worth Odell/Tyreek money. I’d be happy to sign him at 14-15. I’m assuming Robinson wants close to 20 if not more

 

[rossihunter2]

Oh I think Golladay is going to try to max out. I just think there's going to be more money offered to Robinson than there will be to Golladay. It's still going to be a lot either way, though.

Edit to add: as far a guaranteed money goes. Robinson is likely to get more.

yeah i think robinson's getting more guaranteed as a proportion too (he's also just got a more proven track record over time too)

is golladay really actually an injury worry though or is it just that he happened to be injured in a contract year?

i dont see us paying either tbh - i just find it supremely unlikely we shell out for a WR over one of the EDGEs we'd be letting go

especially with the relative strengths of the draft classes and the speed of their acclimation in the pros - EDGEs (unless you're picking in the top 5) are not making early impacts whereas WRs are coming in and having production early on a consistent basis

i know people want a proven vet but I just think if you looked at this not as a Ravens fan idk that you'd sign the WR free agent - we have so much baggage from our past WR failures that it's affecting how we, as fans, see the WR position in free agency

maybe we get lucky and get "THE" guy in free agency but it just feels inevitable that everyone clamouring for that is going to be melting down when we dont bring in anyone or the guy we bring in is kendrick bourne or rashard higgins or even david moore etc.

ill be pissed off if by May we haven't added anyone of note after both free agency and the draft but im not holding out hope for it to be "fixed" by the time free agency slows down

 

[Simba]

yeah i think robinson's getting more guaranteed as a proportion too (he's also just got a more proven track record over time too)

is golladay really actually an injury worry though or is it just that he happened to be injured in a contract year?

i dont see us paying either tbh - i just find it supremely unlikely we shell out for a WR over one of the EDGEs we'd be letting go

especially with the relative strengths of the draft classes and the speed of their acclimation in the pros - EDGEs (unless you're picking in the top 5) are not making early impacts whereas WRs are coming in and having production early on a consistent basis

i know people want a proven vet but I just think if you looked at this not as a Ravens fan idk that you'd sign the WR free agent - we have so much baggage from our past WR failures that it's affecting how we, as fans, see the WR position in free agency

maybe we get lucky and get "THE" guy in free agency but it just feels inevitable that everyone clamouring for that is going to be melting down when we dont bring in anyone or the guy we bring in is kendrick bourne or rashard higgins or even david moore etc.

ill be pissed off if by May we haven't added anyone of note after both free agency and the draft but im not holding out hope for it to be "fixed" by the time free agency slows down

He's been injured a lot. Missed a bunch his rookie year and last year. But also played through some injuries the 2 years before. Nice that he can gut it out but it feels like he's always been nicked up at a minimum. But it could be a lot worse as well.

I also don't see us signing a big time FA WR, but the one thing that is keeping a sliver of hope alive is that usually these types of guys aren't available in FA. Looking down the list of top earners at WR, they're all pretty much homegrown or acquired via trade. Really the only ones up there that aren't one of the above were underachievers early who found success elsewhere and turned that into an extension (e.g. Robert Woods). It's easy to say we won't spend big there, but also not sure we've had too many opportunities for a young guy in his prime on the open market, either.

But I still have big doubts that would happen. It's just a little different.

 

[rossihunter2]

He's been injured a lot. Missed a bunch his rookie year and last year. But also played through some injuries the 2 years before. Nice that he can gut it out but it feels like he's always been nicked up at a minimum. But it could be a lot worse as well.

I also don't see us signing a big time FA WR, but the one thing that is keeping a sliver of hope alive is that usually these types of guys aren't available in FA. Looking down the list of top earners at WR, they're all pretty much homegrown or acquired via trade. Really the only ones up there that aren't one of the above were underachievers early who found success elsewhere and turned that into an extension (e.g. Robert Woods). It's easy to say we won't spend big there, but also not sure we've had too many opportunities for a young guy in his prime on the open market, either.

But I still have big doubts that would happen. It's just a little different.

i just think the price is going to be too prohibitive even if we wanted to get involved - we're going to only have maybe 18m at most to work with and obviously contract structures aren't flat but you don't want to backload it massively but that's the vast majority of your cap gone if you go in on 1 of these guys and that's without adding anyone to fill out the backend of the roster

 

[Simba]

i just think the price is going to be too prohibitive even if we wanted to get involved - we're going to only have maybe 18m at most to work with and obviously contract structures aren't flat but you don't want to backload it massively but that's the vast majority of your cap gone if you go in on 1 of these guys and that's without adding anyone to fill out the backend of the roster

I don't disagree by any means. I still think it's extremely unlikely. But in the event they have some money earmarked for a Judon or Ngakoue and through talks, they find that isn't feasible, maybe they could go hard after a WR. I just wouldn't completely discount the possibility is all. Rare that young guys with the consistent production hit the market and they could decide this is their opportunity to get an actual talent there as opposed to keeping on swinging in the draft or going the vet at the end of the line route. Again, unlikely, but not going to completely rule it out. I'm like 97/3 on the likelihood of it actually happening lol

 

[rossihunter2]

I don't disagree by any means. I still think it's extremely unlikely. But in the event they have some money earmarked for a Judon or Ngakoue and through talks, they find that isn't feasible, maybe they could go hard after a WR. I just wouldn't completely discount the possibility is all. Rare that young guys with the consistent production hit the market and they could decide this is their opportunity to get an actual talent there as opposed to keeping on swinging in the draft or going the vet at the end of the line route. Again, unlikely, but not going to completely rule it out. I'm like 97/3 on the likelihood of it actually happening lol

a lot will become clearer when the franchise tags etc. start happening (or not happening) and we actually get closer to march