• Welcome to PurpleFlock! Sign up here so that you can chat with your fellow Ravens fans.

Signings, Cuts, Trades

We were top NFL offense in 2019, with a rookie Hollywood, Snead, Roberts, Boykin, fucking Jaleel Scott........
No disrespect to Roberts and Snead but I reckon our WR room right now is at least on par with the '19 one.

It was always about the O line and the injuries. Not about who is WR2 or WR3. I really couldn't care less whether we sign a vet or not. Our particular offense is good enough to win it as it is.
 
rossihunter2 said:
i imagine they're reaching out to the agents of all those guys too to gauge prices and interest
it's just that the landry one is the only one that's leaked
Click to expand...
But why would only the Jarvis one get leaked? Maybe because there's more interest there? Maybe he was just the first one contacted and more will happen next week? His agent is using us as leverage?
 
UPennChem said:
Oh he for sure is.

Hahaha you still might be missing what I'm saying. I don't think the Ravens are handing out that kinda money. It would have to be more back loaded and I can't see it happening given how little room we have and other needs. I simply don't think we can afford him.

Thats another reason I think we may not be super attractive as a destination. But I'd LOVE to be wrong.
Click to expand...

idk that a multi-year deal at that amount is that crazy now that marquise is off the books - he was slated to earn 13m straight up next year...
obviously that doesnt cover everything but it does create more flexibility and we've still got the ability to restructure marlon and make some other cost-saving moves if we need/want to

obviously i think the ravens would prefer something cheaper and i think tbh if they offered landry 3/45 right now he'd already be a raven
 
UPennChem said:
But why would only the Jarvis one get leaked? Maybe because there's more interest there? Maybe he was just the first one contacted and more will happen next week? His agent is using us as leverage?
Click to expand...

more likely the only agent to say anything - probably to try and drum up extra interest to increase the price - not necessarily just using the ravens as leverage, but trying to see if he can add some urgency and capital to landry's market... it's possible his market has been less active than they were anticipating

notable though that in the tweet it was specifically mentioned no interest from the browns

but it definitely could just be that it leaked because the ravens interest has been somewhat substantive and not just completely speculative
 
rossihunter2 said:
more likely the only agent to say anything - probably to try and drum up extra interest to increase the price - not necessarily just using the ravens as leverage, but trying to see if he can add some urgency and capital to landry's market... it's possible his market has been less active than they were anticipating

notable though that in the tweet it was specifically mentioned no interest from the browns

but it definitely could just be that it leaked because the ravens interest has been somewhat substantive and not just completely speculative
Click to expand...
How do we know it isn't Jarvis' camp that is doing the leaking to drum up interest from the Browns? I won't put it past any agent to start creating a need where none exists. That is their job.
 
rossihunter2 said:
idk that a multi-year deal at that amount is that crazy now that marquise is off the books - he was slated to earn 13m straight up next year...
obviously that doesnt cover everything but it does create more flexibility and we've still got the ability to restructure marlon and make some other cost-saving moves if we need/want to

obviously i think the ravens would prefer something cheaper and i think tbh if they offered landry 3/45 right now he'd already be a raven
Click to expand...
You're definitely right about the top part. Now the bottom part is key. I agree with that too. If they offered him 3 for 45 he'd be a Raven. But it would apprear they probably offered something much lower. Doesn't mean they may not come back around and pay more in the future though as his market continues to mature
 
rossihunter2 said:
more likely the only agent to say anything - probably to try and drum up extra interest to increase the price - not necessarily just using the ravens as leverage, but trying to see if he can add some urgency and capital to landry's market... it's possible his market has been less active than they were anticipating

notable though that in the tweet it was specifically mentioned no interest from the browns

but it definitely could just be that it leaked because the ravens interest has been somewhat substantive and not just completely speculative
Click to expand...
That all makes sense. I'm hoping obviously it's the final option which is there is real Ravens interest in a somewhat quiet market. Love to see Cleveland has moved on
 
allblackraven said:
We were top NFL offense in 2019, with a rookie Hollywood, Snead, Roberts, Boykin, fucking Jaleel Scott........
No disrespect to Roberts and Snead but I reckon our WR room right now is at least on par with the '19 one.

It was always about the O line and the injuries. Not about who is WR2 or WR3. I really couldn't care less whether we sign a vet or not. Our particular offense is good enough to win it as it is.
Click to expand...

idk - i think bateman in year 2 is clearly an upgrade on half of a rookie hollywood...
but we've not been able to replace snead since he left - and maybe someone steps up but as of what we've last seen, snead would easily be WR2 on this team right now
and seth roberts would easily be definitely in the mix for WR3 right now too

if this corps is what we go into the season with, we're really hoping for some improvements from the young guys with no backup plan should that not pan out

add a vet who can slot in as WR2 and then it's clearly a better corps than 2019 but right now idk that i can say it is for sure at all

but it definitely helps that Mark Andrews is a better player than in 2019 too
 
rossihunter2 said:
idk - i think bateman in year 2 is clearly an upgrade on half of a rookie hollywood...
but we've not been able to replace snead since he left - and maybe someone steps up but as of what we've last seen, snead would easily be WR2 on this team right now
and seth roberts would easily be definitely in the mix for WR3 right now too

if this corps is what we go into the season with, we're really hoping for some improvements from the young guys with no backup plan should that not pan out

add a vet who can slot in as WR2 and then it's clearly a better corps than 2019 but right now idk that i can say it is for sure at all

but it definitely helps that Mark Andrews is a better player than in 2019 too
Click to expand...
Very well said. Yeah we dunk on the 2019 corps but Hollywood was still a threat. Snead was a gritty and reliable guy from the slot. And Robert's while totally unspectacular was a WR3. You're not expecting much from a WR3. As you've said we have WR1 and we probably have WR3. We don't have WR2
 
UPennChem said:
You're definitely right about the top part. Now the bottom part is key. I agree with that too. If they offered him 3 for 45 he'd be a Raven. But it would apprear they probably offered something much lower. Doesn't mean they
Click to expand...

im guessing it's one of two things:

1) the ravens have made what they consider a "fair" offer and given landry the opportunity to see if he can find better
2) the ravens inquired about what sort of money Landry's looking for and disagreed with his side's valuation at this point - they've touched base but they'll wait to see if the price comes down

either way, the ravens have leverage in that they're not in a rush - they've got months before training camp starts and there's a whole host of other non-bad veteran WRs on the market still
 
rossihunter2 said:
im guessing it's one of two things:

1) the ravens have made what they consider a "fair" offer and given landry the opportunity to see if he can find better
2) the ravens inquired about what sort of money Landry's looking for and disagreed with his side's valuation at this point - they've touched base but they'll wait to see if the price comes down

either way, the ravens have leverage in that they're not in a rush - they've got months before training camp starts and there's a whole host of other non-bad veteran WRs on the market still
Click to expand...
Agreed with everything except the host of other non bad veteran receivers. Who do you think is actually good enough to pay money to? As much as I want Fullers talent I don't think you can pay him. Julio is cooked. Sanders is cooked. After Landry I think you're looking at the TY Hiltons and Cole Beasleys.

Odell is out there but you don't know if he can keep coming back from these injuries and he's definitely not gonna be a part of the first half of the season for sure
 
rossihunter2 said:
idk - i think bateman in year 2 is clearly an upgrade on half of a rookie hollywood...
but we've not been able to replace snead since he left - and maybe someone steps up but as of what we've last seen, snead would easily be WR2 on this team right now
and seth roberts would easily be definitely in the mix for WR3 right now too

if this corps is what we go into the season with, we're really hoping for some improvements from the young guys with no backup plan should that not pan out

add a vet who can slot in as WR2 and then it's clearly a better corps than 2019 but right now idk that i can say it is for sure at all

but it definitely helps that Mark Andrews is a better player than in 2019 too
Click to expand...
I do appreciate what Roberts and Snead did here but I am more than confident that our current receivers can replicate their production

Roberts 270y
Snead 330y
Hurst 350y
Boyle 320y

Bateman and Andrews will definitely be more productive than Brown and Andrews.

James, Duvernay, Wallace, rookie TEs, one of the UDFAs, Boyle again healthy - I think you can safely say any combination of these guys can give us those 20y a game.

I also believe that Proche, Duvernay and Wallace will all be better than last year.
 
“Watch how we bounce back.”

 
allblackraven said:
I do appreciate what Roberts and Snead did here but I am more than confident that our current receivers can replicate their production

Roberts 270y
Snead 330y
Hurst 350y
Boyle 320y

Bateman and Andrews will definitely be more productive than Brown and Andrews.

James, Duvernay, Wallace, rookie TEs, one of the UDFAs, Boyle again healthy - I think you can safely say any combination of these guys can give us those 20y a game.

I also believe that Proche, Duvernay and Wallace will all be better than last year.
Click to expand...
i guess i just dont really believe that those benchmarks in yards mean that much from 2019 because of how much we ran the ball... and even if we do go back to more 12 (and even 13) personnel, i think we're still gonna pass the ball a ton more than we did in 2019 and late 2020

duvernay's going to get us 300-400yds combined between receiving/rushing - but that doesnt move the needle because of how and where those yards come from

proche could definitely become that guy but he had 220 yds last year and wasnt even active the whole time

in the 2021 offence, i think you could easily see snead and roberts having double the yardage they put up in 2019 if they were still WR2 and WR3

i do think the rookie TEs will add more dynamism to the passing attack - but i do think the WR corps specifically is disappointingly... disappointing when stacked up against the 2019 WR corps
 
UPennChem said:
Agreed with everything except the host of other non bad veteran receivers. Who do you think is actually good enough to pay money to? As much as I want Fullers talent I don't think you can pay him. Julio is cooked. Sanders is cooked. After Landry I think you're looking at the TY Hiltons and Cole Beasleys.

Odell is out there but you don't know if he can keep coming back from these injuries and he's definitely not gonna be a part of the first half of the season for sure
Click to expand...

for me it's
Odell
Jarvis
Fuller

and then i start looking elsewhere - not sure julio's cooked but i cant rely on him - sanders i think is gonna retire (albeit he still looked good with the bills last year), TY is definitely done though
 
UPennChem said:
Very well said. Yeah we dunk on the 2019 corps but Hollywood was still a threat. Snead was a gritty and reliable guy from the slot. And Robert's while totally unspectacular was a WR3. You're not expecting much from a WR3. As you've said we have WR1 and we probably have WR3. We don't have WR2
Click to expand...

i would say we have a couple of guys who right now could be anywhere from WR3s to also-rans but we just don't know - between the 3 guys behind Bateman, it's likely that one of them can be useful as a WR3...

but yes - there's a glaring weakness at one of those starting spots

but watch us, for once, not add a veteran and then start with Bateman, Proche and Tylan in 11 personnel week 1 and watch them tear it up lol
 
rossihunter2 said:
for me it's
Odell
Jarvis
Fuller

and then i start looking elsewhere - not sure julio's cooked but i cant rely on him - sanders i think is gonna retire (albeit he still looked good with the bills last year), TY is definitely done though
Click to expand...
Ok so we see it the same way. It's pretty obvious those are the top 3. But the only one you can trust is Jarvis. Fuller can start the season but not finish it. Odell can end the season but not start it.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top