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He production started falling off 2 years ago so it is not a blip but a downward trend now.

The thing that will show he is washed is not whether someone overpays for him, but how, wherever he goes, he will not be productive.
Or you could look at it the last time Mayfield played well, 3 years ago, Landrys stats were better. Baker Mayfield is not a great QB. And obviously the contract doesn't make him good. I'm just saying you're going to see that any number of NFL teams are going to give him a big contract because they don't perceive him as falling off. His production will be somewhat correlated to the place he goes to
 
Or you could look at it the last time Mayfield played well, 3 years ago, Landrys stats were better. Baker Mayfield is not a great QB. And obviously the contract doesn't make him good. I'm just saying you're going to see that any number of NFL teams are going to give him a big contract because they don't perceive him as falling off. His production will be somewhat correlated to the place he goes to

If we have to go back 3 years to find the last time someone was good that is probably a good sign they are washed. When your production falls off and you start getting injured that tends to not stop.
 
If we have to go back 3 years to find the last time someone was good that is probably a good sign they are washed. When your production falls off and you start getting injured that tends to not stop.
You're completely missing what I'm saying. You are using stats to say he's washed. Look at the stats for the browns the last 2 years.

These are the receiving stats from a quality team, with an exceptional running game and extremely talented WRs. And yet this was their production. The reason? Baker Mayfield. Remember when Odell forced his way out because he was doing legitimately nothing in Cleveland and then was on fire in LA? His stats suggested he was washed but ultimately it was just the Browns offense with Baker Mayfield was the problem.

Same goes for Landry.
 
You're completely missing what I'm saying. You are using stats to say he's washed. Look at the stats for the browns the last 2 years.

These are the receiving stats from a quality team, with an exceptional running game and extremely talented WRs. And yet this was their production. The reason? Baker Mayfield. Remember when Odell forced his way out because he was doing legitimately nothing in Cleveland and then was on fire in LA? His stats suggested he was washed but ultimately it was just the Browns offense with Baker Mayfield was the problem.

Same goes for Landry.
I would agree Baker is likely the main reason
 
Really? I would go Bradberry primarily because he would add invincibility to our backfield. Slide Marlon to the slot where he excels. I was also tempted to go, Clowney, because just his presence makes QBs hurry up a microsecond next. Landry was my last choice. Can you explain your rationale please, just so I understand?
 
Really? I would go Bradberry primarily because he would add invincibility to our backfield. Slide Marlon to the slot where he excels. I was also tempted to go, Clowney, because just his presence makes QBs hurry up a microsecond next. Landry was my last choice. Can you explain your rationale please, just so I understand?
would Bradberry help. Yes, but invincible is a bit far fetched. Bradberry is basically a zone corner and although he had a good year in 2020, that seems to be an outlier as the rest of his seasons are a bit average. Could he help us, absolutely.
 
I really do. I am saying it right now. Whoever signs Landry will be getting this off-season's equivalent of Andre Villanueva. By that I mean the Steelers knew he was done but somehow the rest of the league had not yet caught on. Even if you ignore last year where he could not get open, maybe you can blame it on the QB injuries, he basically has not been good since 2019 and when your production is consistently falling that tends to be the trendline. NFL players tend to not get better with age so when they look done they are done.
Watched some plays of him last niggt from last year and i didnt wanna say it but youre right.. dude really couldnt get open. Idk if it was cause his injury or what but if it wasnt zone, he really struggled to get open.
 
Not sure why people think Landry is bad. He's definitely a high quality player. He's not even 30. You've watched him torch us consistently every time we play him in a way no other receiver has. His stats last year may not be crazy but none of Clevelands WRs stats were given that Mayfield was playing mutilated last year and they run the ball a lot. There's no film of him just looking bad so I really don't know where this is coming from.

He may not sign here but look for him to get a multi year deal with an AAV around 14 or 15 million. That will definitively prove he's not washed.

Now the other guys out there you could say are washed but not Landry.
I think duv and proche unproven asses can have similar production to landry tbh.. the same routes he will be asked to run can def be ran by proche. I mean landry got more dawg in him than those but i dnt think he is special by anymeans right now
 
I think duv and proche unproven asses can have similar production to landry tbh.. the same routes he will be asked to run can def be ran by proche. I mean landry got more dawg in him than those but i dnt think he is special by anymeans right now
You're definitely right the FO can make the choice to trust the younger guys with those snaps. Seems like they're pursuing Landry pretty hard though. He's not done though. Was injured and was a part of a very underperforming passing attack.

Problem is if you watched Julio last year, he gets off to an OK start and then just becomes nonexistent as the year went on. Fuller is Fuller. If not Landry (who I agree positionally is a little redundant) than what WR can actually help this team?
 
Tweets from Jarvis about his injuries.


Honestly shocking how him playing through all that and he was still the leading receiver lol.
 
You're definitely right the FO can make the choice to trust the younger guys with those snaps. Seems like they're pursuing Landry pretty hard though. He's not done though. Was injured and was a part of a very underperforming passing attack.

Problem is if you watched Julio last year, he gets off to an OK start and then just becomes nonexistent as the year went on. Fuller is Fuller. If not Landry (who I agree positionally is a little redundant) than what WR can actually help this team?
Yea julio was def nonexistent but i can see him as a 5/50 guy with us if he could atleast play lol. I say only julio because he likely be cheaper, wont mind blocking and could possibly be chasing a ring..idk fuller current injury but he gives us the opportunity to stretch field which we really need. I think adding landry will limit our deep threat ability. Yes bateman can be that but its not the same as worrying bout a guy like hollywood going over top
 
Yea julio was def nonexistent but i can see him as a 5/50 guy with us if he could atleast play lol. I say only julio because he likely be cheaper, wont mind blocking and could possibly be chasing a ring..idk fuller current injury but he gives us the opportunity to stretch field which we really need. I think adding landry will limit our deep threat ability. Yes bateman can be that but its not the same as worrying bout a guy like hollywood going over top
Totally agree, but if you want the Hollywood skillet it's Fuller or a trade.
 
I mean its possible he'd be rotational, but realistically, they'd probably just kick Marlon back into the slot. Very few scenarios where we don't have three Corners on the field.
yeah, that's very possible. Wasn't even thinking about that but Humphrey was very good in the slot in 2019 and 2020.
 
He production started falling off 2 years ago so it is not a blip but a downward trend now.

The thing that will show he is washed is not whether someone overpays for him, but how, wherever he goes, he will not be productive.

ah yes - how could i forget production... i feel so silly having not thought about production ever before

i was stupid to base my evaluation of his play on the tape... i will do better in the future and only evaluate players on season yardage totals with no context like you fine sir
 
I'm assuming we've signed him because JK and Gus will be missing considerable portions of the offseason and we need guys to be taking reps.

100% this - im assuming he's coming in at the minimum and will get a chance to earn a roster spot but will likely only get one if Gus or JK aren't ready to go to begin the season
 
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