Coverage is what he does best, but he could be a good edge rushers he develops some more moves as well.
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redrum52
Hall of Famer
Fitting this exact criteria no but he was also being somewhat sarcastic. Webb looked good early but they seemed hesitant... Also injuries. McPhee, Kruger. Jimmy somewhat. Elam actually seemed to decline as seasons went on. Who knows what Art could've done if he had actually seen the field. His point is more about drafting a guy to do what they did well and stop trying to make them something they're not. We don't seem reluctant to start guys on offense, but thats because they're usually OL. Rice barely got any burn his first season but conquered that role when he got it.[/QUOTE]
Sandtown
Pro Bowler
I think the FO and coaching staff has visions of Bowser being Von Miller, and they're stubbornly keeping him on the edge to fulfill that vision, even if his play is more akin to Jamie Collins. If I had it my way (and believe me I did this in Madden) Bowser would be at LB next to Mosley. I maintain that it would get the most talent on the field.
Sometimes you just have to get more talent on the field. Bowser is too talented to ride the bench, but with Judon, Suggs, Zadarius, and Tim Williams in the picture, there's a log jam on the edge. Meanwhile, Correa is borderline lost at MLB. Putting Bowser at LB maximizes our personnel in my opinion.
I'll start. Paul Kruger, Ryan Jensen, Jah Reid (did very well in KC), John Simon (solid in Houston) and arguably others, like Arthur Jones and Kyle Juszczyk. All of these guys rode the bench or were extremely underused despite showing potential to be solid contributors. To me, Jensen and Kruger are the most egregious issues here.
Paul Kruger is understandable . He never really became more than pass rush specilist though. I don't think The Ravens drafted him in the second round with the mindset of him being just a pass rush specialist.You may have to speak further on the Ryan Jensen situation because I don't get it. Jah Reid is somewhat understandable since The Ravens try to bounce him from right tackle to left guard and etc but I think that's just them trying to find away to get their third rounder on the field . Reid did do ok in his first year with The Chiefs but KC fans would disagree with you when saying he did very well. His inability to stay healthy at times didn't make things better either. I don't get the Arthur Jones situation but I do remember a article mentioning how Ed Reed gave him talk and after that he stepped his game upp. Kyle Juczczyk is some one I can agree on but The Ravens used him just enough to help him get a big contract with The 49ers.
Absolutely, and I don't think he will need that much time to form his arsenal. he already has an outside rush and an inside counter move, we've seen him use the spin which perfectly fits his style, I believe he could use a swat move, something Suggs is a master at. The more options he has, the more dreadful he'll be, because the raw tools (first step and short area quickness) are elite.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Off the top of my head Kruger and McPhee. Currently we see correa struggling to grasp the shitload of changes the staff is throwing at him, john Simon couldn't make it here despite us having dogshit on the edge and no future guys either, yet he's doing very good in Houston. Jernigan is a much better penetrating DT than he is a 3-4 anchor and we used him as an anchor, we killed ngatas dominance the same way. Webb should've been a slot corner or a safety from day one but he was our outside corner everytime he was healthy.
It's because rather than letting guys do what they do, we force them to do literally everything else and lose square pegs Because they don't fit in round holes
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
WTF dude is it with NFL players hitting girls??!! And their GFs at that!! My GF could could come at me with a bat and I couldn't ever hit her. She wouldn't do that. I don't think I could make her quite that pissed at me. At least I don't think. But what is it with these players hitting girls??
Sandtown
Pro Bowler
I doubt it when it comes to Jernigan. I just think he was inconsistent. He was ask to rush the passer just about on every obvious passing down but his play just fell off later on in the season atleast as a pass rusher. The Ravens haven't ran the zone blocking scheme as heavy since Gary Kubiak left so i'm kind of doubting they ask Jensen to lose weight after that. If Ryan Jensen breaks out it doesn't necessarily mean he should have replaced Zuttah last year. Maybe The Ravens current offensive line coach and Greg Roman are able to get more out of him than The Ravens former offensive line coach. Maybe their was mental mistakes the coahing staff wasn't comfortable last that Jensen now has improved on.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
In both 15 and 16 we ran a base zone scheme, in 16 we ran more inside zone, but in 15 the stretch was still a primary run scheme. And Jensen simply is not a zone blocker, he is a mauler and making him do anything else is limiting him
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
Watched last quarter of the game. Willie Henry is turning into a football player rapidly. He gets really good push, knocks lineman off balance with swats, can get low and only needs to learn some discard moves. He could be a near unblockable interior rusher if he continues to make progress. He looks like he was in better shape last year but it isn't hurting his play. On rush downs Pierce Urban and Henry is gonna be very formidable. Maybe even the best in the league as a 3-4 defensive line group
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Strangely I think bowser is one of those guys that you can't let him "do what he does best" by giving him a specialized role. He isn't a DPR, not an edge setter, not a thumper, he's just a goddamn hell of a ball player and athlete and a natural defender. He reads, he anticipates, he flies, he plays way stronger than his size, he's incredibly light on his feet and changes direction effortlessly, and goddamn can he pursue. I think you really need to have him playing on nearly every down, he's too good to take off the field.
Let him play inside on the base 3-4, let him play the OLB in the 4-3 packages, let him standup on the edge in pass packages to create chaos, will he edge rush? Will he cover the TE? Will he cover the slot? Will he zone drop to the flats/middle? Will he blitz or stunt? He can do all of it at a very high level, let him do it all.
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
If Bowser went back to school he could be considered a top10 pick next draft. Similar to Khalil Mack but not quite as violent and strong as Mack. He should be playing along side Mosley to get best players playing
BloodRaven
MVP
So about Correa, are we going to keep shoehorning him because hes a second round pick or are we going to give Peanut some more reps? The ability to tackle in space is pretty damn important.
The Raven
Veteran
Or, are we going to give Tyus Bowser reps at ILB to see what he has to offer? To me, Bowser offers a blend of the skills that Correa and Onwuasor have.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Agreed. Bowser shouldn't have much trouble adjusting considering he's always played a very diverse role ever since college. I don't see how he can't grasp lining up a few yards closer to middle field and just following assignments.
BloodRaven
MVP
I agree, especially as a versatile piece in dime sets.
Ravensnation5220
Ravens Ring of Honor
Id rather have Bowser on the edge more often than not. Hes way too naturally gifted as a pass rusher
BloodRaven
MVP
Id say hes more of a physically gifted rusher than skilled, but its his rare all around versatility that makes him intriguing.
The Raven
Veteran
All the more reason to get him on the field more. Put him at ILB and blitz him, play the edge on third down, etc... We have too little talent at ILB and too much talent at OLB for Bowser to be on the bench. He's too much of a special talent to let him sit.
Ravensnation5220
Ravens Ring of Honor
Ya i see that. I just worry hes not strong enough to be a run stuffer.
The Raven
Veteran
Having him, Jeferson, and Levine on the field in Dime sets would be lethal