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Lost_In_Translation said:
Also said Chuck Clark could be a pro bowler ahahahhaha.

Analytics are a good tool but should never be taken as rule.

Tyus' problem is that we're trying to make him something he's not. He should be a SAM LB and nothing more. We have problems covering the TEs. Switching over to a 4-3 where CJ Would not have as many coverage responsiblities would literally make our lives much easier. I love what Wink is doing too but in certain instances we are playing ourselves. Even Ozzie wanted him to play the SAM. We have the personel to have a top tier 4-3 LB corps but nope. It's maddening. Offenses are starting to figure us out and we need to throw a monkey wrench in.
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Although I like our hybrid model, I agree Tyus should be and was drafted to be a Sam, as Ozzie asked Tyus if he’s like to be SAM LB for us. A monkey wrench needs to be thrown in for sure.
 
purplepittabread88 said:
It was the same with kc he would have been a great 4-3 backer.. even Author Jones. I don’t get why we don’t do it. Back with chuck we were in the 4-3 all the time. Our inability to cover tight ends is disgusting. Urban and wormley at d end, pierce and Williams in the middle, mosley tyus and young.. with Williams switched it to rush the passer damn. Imagine trying to run on that front 4. And the ends are both like 6’7 (Kafusi would have worked in that scheme too ugh)
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Don't get me wrong, I like Wink, but it's why i was vouching for Teryl Austin.
 
Grim said:
One thing to notice is that it’s funny how we structured contracts. Almost every contract we have for our cap-heavy veterans allows us to get out of it next year. I say it’s funny because Ozzie stated it was the plan all along for Eric to take over since the 2013 draft or whatever—I forget.

Looking at that, let’s see who we can cut and how much the savings is:

QB Joseph Vincent Flacco: $10.5M
CB Jimmy Smith: $9.5M%
DT Brandon Williams: $9.250M*
S Tony Jefferson: $3.8M
G Marshal Yanda: $7M%
WR Michael Crabtree: $4.6M
S Eric Weddle: $6.5M%
CB Brandon Carr: $4.5M
WR Willie Snead: $4M%
OL James Hurst: $1M
* Post-June 1st cap cut or trade designation
% final year of contract

Please note some of these guys have higher dead money than their savings so James Hurst can save $1M but he’ll have almost $4M in dead cap for a decent backup. I find it interesting because some of these cap hits could easily be shed if DeCosta wants to shed weight. I don’t think it’s a simple math problem though because IMO Jimmy > Carr if healthy but that’s the issue. Also
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B Will wont be cut this offseason with a post-june 1st designation - he's much more likely to be a release candidate in the 2020 offseason though
Likewise Tony Jefferson and James Hurst
 
rossihunter2 said:
we seem able to get all 3 of those things in day 3 every year anyway
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Which is why it makes no GODDAM sense we don't go after real needs earlier. If you know you can hit on those late, why are we still taking them early. FUCK... Pierce went undrafted and is probably our best DL right now.

And that damn extension is keeping us from getting rid of B will this year.
 
Grim said:
One thing to notice is that it’s funny how we structured contracts. Almost every contract we have for our cap-heavy veterans allows us to get out of it next year. I say it’s funny because Ozzie stated it was the plan all along for Eric to take over since the 2013 draft or whatever—I forget.

Looking at that, let’s see who we can cut and how much the savings is:

QB Joseph Vincent Flacco: $10.5M
CB Jimmy Smith: $9.5M%
DT Brandon Williams: $9.250M*
S Tony Jefferson: $3.8M
G Marshal Yanda: $7M%
WR Michael Crabtree: $4.6M
S Eric Weddle: $6.5M%
CB Brandon Carr: $4.5M
WR Willie Snead: $4M%
OL James Hurst: $1M
* Post-June 1st cap cut or trade designation
% final year of contract

Please note some of these guys have higher dead money than their savings so James Hurst can save $1M but he’ll have almost $4M in dead cap for a decent backup. I find it interesting because some of these cap hits could easily be shed if DeCosta wants to shed weight. I don’t think it’s a simple math problem though because IMO Jimmy > Carr if healthy but that’s the issue. Also
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Some of these will hurt us for a while, either by way of dead money on the books or by paying heaps for not a lot of good production.
 
Grim said:
Please don’t talk about Tyler Boyd or Thomas. I wanted both but really wanted Boyd and while Thomas is better I can’t believe we let Boyd go. That has to be one of the worst drafts we’ve had. I didn’t mind Jernigan but your early picks need to see the field and make immediate impacts. That’s why we are struggling because we draft guys early but they take forever or never start and we keep double downing on those position groups because they suck and we can’t admit it. It’s like having lung cancer and you take chemo but keep smoking or whatever.
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Not taking either of them made absolutely no sense what so ever. I still am dumbfounded by the decision to pass on them and it ruined the draft for me that day, I've never been so upset that day. It's easy to say that now with hindsight but on that day I was pounding on the table for Thomas.

That Jernigan pick bothers me for two reasons. For one, it was a deep WR class and we badly needed play-makers on this team, but second, he didn't even last the duration of his rookie contract. We traded him to Philly, and I know that we got draft capital in return but give me the stud WR instead that would have either been Adams, Landry, Robinson. I question the commitment to the WR position considering that I don't recall many of them visiting the team that offseason.

Yeah, you're totally right about our draft approach lately and it's like that with WRs and we wonder why these guys never pan out. It's not Engram or the coaching staff, it's the people we're bringing in. We're literally the only NFL team I believe that's never sent a WR that we have drafted to the Pro Bowl. That should tell you something.
 
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purplepittabread88 said:
I didn’t know shit about Bowser when we got him. I didn’t even bother looking at second round defensive players because of how bad we needed a wr I was sure we were going to select juju and I’ve seen him play so many games at usc. I just was like what the fuck.

A similar moment was 2013 when Keenan Allen was still there after being mocked to us in the first in many drafts. We traded up in the second and I was celebrating and we got fucking brown.

Moral of the story, never take a linebacker in the second round over a receiver from California.
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Can't say a lot about Arthur Brown, I liked him prior to the draft and was happy when we picked him, I just have no idea what happened to the guy. Just the ultimate bust really.

Yeah, I didn't really know who Bowser was and I was thinking WR in the 2nd round but it is what it is. This team is just too damn cheap when it comes to valuable skill positions.

We need to take a WR in the 1st two rounds next year. I say this every year to no avail but we really need to stock up on skill positions because we have to get with the times and realize that offense wins games and championships in todays NFL.
 
rossihunter2 said:
yeah its icky
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It makes me not think of him as a rb, like he’s a gadget player or something. I had the same issue with James Washington early on, he had such a stereotypical rb number that I felt like he was just a guy who could run rather than a legit wr, maybe it sounds weird but it fudges my opinion just a little bit
 
TheCity5 said:
Can't say a lot about Arthur Brown, I liked him prior to the draft and was happy when we picked him, I just have no idea what happened to the guy. Just the ultimate bust really.

Yeah, I didn't really know who Bowser was and I was thinking WR in the 2nd round but it is what it is. This team is just too damn cheap when it comes to valuable skill positions.

We need to take a WR in the 1st two rounds next year. I say this every year to no avail but we really need to stock up on skill positions because we have to get with the times and realize that offense wins games and championships in todays NFL.
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We need to scout better, then take playmakers early.
Taking WR in 1st for the sake of taking WR is dumb, as we had the opportunity to see first hand.
 
allblackraven said:
We need to scout better, then take playmakers early.
Taking WR in 1st for the sake of taking WR is dumb, as we had the opportunity to see first hand.
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We took someone who was a project that a lot of people questioned. I mean let's be honest there were plenty of people who didn't like the Perriman pick and I even recall people criticizing the pick the moment it was made. Let's not act like we took someone who didn't have a high bust potential.

Taking any position for the sake of taking it is dumb, this is not relegated to WR only but not addressing a half a decade long need sooner rather then later is even dumber.
 
rossihunter2 said:
B Will wont be cut this offseason with a post-june 1st designation - he's much more likely to be a release candidate in the 2020 offseason though
Likewise Tony Jefferson and James Hurst
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Yeah I hear you but I’m just saying we can escape from those if we want. I don’t think Williams is likely to be cut next offseason because I just don’t think it’s realistic but that’s not the purpose of the list
 
It is really sad that the best wide receiver the Ravens have drafted in the past 5 years is Chris Moore. Really a blind spot in their scouting.
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
Also said Chuck Clark could be a pro bowler ahahahhaha.

Analytics are a good tool but should never be taken as rule.

Tyus' problem is that we're trying to make him something he's not. He should be a SAM LB and nothing more. We have problems covering the TEs. Switching over to a 4-3 where CJ Would not have as many coverage responsiblities would literally make our lives much easier. I love what Wink is doing too but in certain instances we are playing ourselves. Even Ozzie wanted him to play the SAM. We have the personel to have a top tier 4-3 LB corps but nope. It's maddening. Offenses are starting to figure us out and we need to throw a monkey wrench in.
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Don’t know what analytics site supported Chuck Clark. Could you send me the link. I know for certain it wasn’t PFF
 
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