The Random Thought Thread

[JoeyFlex5]

Pitt yes, tenn no

if you skeert say you skeert. were gonna either beat everyone, beat noone, or beat someone and then lose to KC.

the latter 2 dont really make a difference to me at this point, but if we beat tenn before losing to KC, id be pretty happy with it

 

[ThatsMyJoeTerback]

if you skeert say you skeert. were gonna either beat everyone, beat noone, or beat someone and then lose to KC.

the latter 2 dont really make a difference to me at this point, but if we beat tenn before losing to KC, id be pretty happy with it

I'm skeert of Tennessee, Joey

 

[Simba]

I don't say this as a shot at Patrick Queen - I like him a lot and think he's going to be good in time. But from a curiosity standpoint because we know who the other option was, I really wonder what this team would look like with Tee Higgins as opposed to Queen. He's quietly put together a pretty damn good year, even post Burrow injury.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I don't say this as a shot at Patrick Queen - I like him a lot and think he's going to be good in time. But from a curiosity standpoint because we know who the other option was, I really wonder what this team would look like with Tee Higgins as opposed to Queen. He's quietly put together a pretty damn good year, even post Burrow injury.

yeah hes been solid and he wouldve been the ideal kinda wr that we need, ive had the same thoughts. good to know though that eric had his eye on a big bodied wr who was available to us and is playing well as a rookie, maybe hes got a better eye for wrs, but then again would higgins look like ass if he was playing here?

 

[rossihunter2]

I don't say this as a shot at Patrick Queen - I like him a lot and think he's going to be good in time. But from a curiosity standpoint because we know who the other option was, I really wonder what this team would look like with Tee Higgins as opposed to Queen. He's quietly put together a pretty damn good year, even post Burrow injury.

for sure it's a worthwhile question - especially with the respective "values" of the positions and the way the platoon at LB has managed (obviously Queen's a big part of that tbf)

hard to second-guess an organisation that's only ever taken 2 LBs in the 1st round before Queen though and both of those turned out pretty well

it's definitely an interesting "what if" and tbh 3-4 weeks ago it seemed like a no-brainer while Queen was in a slump

in terms of value I think it's tough to imagine a prospect of Queen's quality falling to that sort of draft spot on a regular basis while Tee Higgins as a prospect feels less unique

Queen felt like the safer pick, Higgins felt like the more exciting (skill position picks often are lol) - analytics say positional value means we should have taken Higgins

 

[Simba]

yeah hes been solid and he wouldve been the ideal kinda wr that we need, ive had the same thoughts. good to know though that eric had his eye on a big bodied wr who was available to us and is playing well as a rookie, maybe hes got a better eye for wrs, but then again would higgins look like ass if he was playing here?

That's what is always tough to say. Obviously a different offense in Cinci but I always liked Higgins as well.

Obviously you can't predict anything, but I wonder if you ask DeCosta now if he'd still pick Queen over Higgins knowing that Harrison would be available in round 3. Kind of the same thing with Hurst and Andrews a couple of years ago. Do you still pick Hurst if you know Andrews is still available in round 3?

 

[rossihunter2]

yeah hes been solid and he wouldve been the ideal kinda wr that we need, ive had the same thoughts. good to know though that eric had his eye on a big bodied wr who was available to us and is playing well as a rookie, maybe hes got a better eye for wrs, but then again would higgins look like ass if he was playing here?

i wonder that too

i think we spoke about this a few weeks ago - at least its comforting to know that the guy they were gonna pick at WR would clearly have been a good pick

but yeah i do wonder what any receiver we draft will look like here given the lack of opportunities

then again we've seen with Dobbins what a difference some explosion and talent makes - what's to say that Higgins wouldn't have a similar impact at WR in more limited opportunities

 

[JoeyFlex5]

That's what is always tough to say. Obviously a different offense in Cinci but I always liked Higgins as well.

Obviously you can't predict anything, but I wonder if you ask DeCosta now if he'd still pick Queen over Higgins knowing that Harrison would be available in round 3. Kind of the same thing with Hurst and Andrews a couple of years ago. Do you still pick Hurst if you know Andrews is still available in round 3?

i still think queen would be the pick. higgins was never anywhere close to the OROY conversation, while queen has been in the conversation with young and chinn the whole time. the ravens have spent years with slower LBs and they have wanted to add explosiveness to the position for a very long time, queen was the ideal pick at the time and even during his slump i doubt anyone in the FO has really second guessed the pick. sucks seeing the wr corps continue to be average knowing that higgins was there to be had, but also you wonder what the season wouldve become had we not had queen who has made MANY key plays

 

[rossihunter2]

That's what is always tough to say. Obviously a different offense in Cinci but I always liked Higgins as well.

Obviously you can't predict anything, but I wonder if you ask DeCosta now if he'd still pick Queen over Higgins knowing that Harrison would be available in round 3. Kind of the same thing with Hurst and Andrews a couple of years ago. Do you still pick Hurst if you know Andrews is still available in round 3?

i think the answer you'd probably get from DeCosta is that nothing would have changed because they still trust the process and that means taking the guy who's highest on the board when they pick

hurst felt a little different because of how they moved around the board before they picked him whereas Queen fell to the spot we were in originally

i also have to say that my opinion is probably coloured by the fact that i was a lot lower on tee higgins in my own personal evaluations - i had him in the top 50 but not in the 1st round

 

[JoeyFlex5]

i wonder that too

i think we spoke about this a few weeks ago - at least its comforting to know that the guy they were gonna pick at WR would clearly have been a good pick

but yeah i do wonder what any receiver we draft will look like here given the lack of opportunities

then again we've seen with Dobbins what a difference some explosion and talent makes - what's to say that Higgins wouldn't have a similar impact at WR in more limited opportunities

i think something happens this year, i think there is gonna be a stud fall to us the way queen and dobbins fell to our 1 and 2, looking at the wr pool this year i feel like theres so many guys that i would love to have here that they wont all be able to go before we pick.

 

[rossihunter2]

i still think queen would be the pick. higgins was never anywhere close to the OROY conversation, while queen has been in the conversation with young and chinn the whole time. the ravens have spent years with slower LBs and they have wanted to add explosiveness to the position for a very long time, queen was the ideal pick at the time and even during his slump i doubt anyone in the FO has really second guessed the pick. sucks seeing the wr corps continue to be average knowing that higgins was there to be had, but also you wonder what the season wouldve become had we not had queen who has made MANY key plays

i think that's the thing to remember RE: Queen - while he's been inconsistent (as the coaches have said they expected since the offseason) he's made some key game-changing plays throughout the year - 4th down stops, fumbles, fumble recoveries, scored a td, made a key pick

maybe higgins hasnt had that opportunity because without burrow the bengals havent really been competitive or in the spotlight

 

[rossihunter2]

i think something happens this year, i think there is gonna be a stud fall to us the way queen and dobbins fell to our 1 and 2, looking at the wr pool this year i feel like theres so many guys that i would love to have here that they wont all be able to go before we pick.

with the way this roster is set-up, as long as free agency at the EDGE position doesn't fall apart for us it really feels like the board is ours for the taking - the luxury of being a good team with young talent is that you can just take the stud when they fall without worrying about opportunity costs

it's especially important that we just take the good prospects if/when they fall this year because we only have those 2 picks in the first 2 days of the draft

 

[JoeyFlex5]

with the way this roster is set-up, as long as free agency at the EDGE position doesn't fall apart for us it really feels like the board is ours for the taking - the luxury of being a good team with young talent is that you can just take the stud when they fall without worrying about opportunity costs

it's especially important that we just take the good prospects if/when they fall this year because we only have those 2 picks in the first 2 days of the draft

agreed, its tough because you feel like the team just so desperately needs like one or 2 spots reinforced and you wanna go that direction, but when someone falls that isnt a wr or edge or OL you still gotta take them because you just cant afford a miss. but this year, you have smith, waddle, chase, marshall, and bateman, you telling me all those guys are going before we pick? thats a ridiculous run on wrs in round 1 and 2 of those guys opted out for the year, then theres kyle pitts who i include and put near the top of that list and thats a guy i may prefer for the ravens than any of the receivers

 

[Simba]

with the way this roster is set-up, as long as free agency at the EDGE position doesn't fall apart for us it really feels like the board is ours for the taking - the luxury of being a good team with young talent is that you can just take the stud when they fall without worrying about opportunity costs

it's especially important that we just take the good prospects if/when they fall this year because we only have those 2 picks in the first 2 days of the draft

This is the key for me heading into the offseason. If we can retain 1 or 2 of our edge guys, we can go in so many different directions. Lots of different "needs" but no glaring holes where you have to force something. WR/TE, OL, EDGE, DL, DB all in line and you could justify any of them as a need and a good pick.

 

[rossihunter2]

agreed, its tough because you feel like the team just so desperately needs like one or 2 spots reinforced and you wanna go that direction, but when someone falls that isnt a wr or edge or OL you still gotta take them because you just cant afford a miss. but this year, you have smith, waddle, chase, marshall, and bateman, you telling me all those guys are going before we pick? thats a ridiculous run on wrs in round 1 and 2 of those guys opted out for the year

and if they do then there's likely someone else awesome who's gonna drop

i cannot wait to dive into the film this year whenever i do finally start grinding

 

[rossihunter2]

This is the key for me heading into the offseason. If we can retain 1 or 2 of our edge guys, we can go in so many different directions. Lots of different "needs" but no glaring holes where you have to force something. WR/TE, OL, EDGE, DL, DB all in line and you could justify any of them as a need and a good pick.

100% - good drafting organisations draft good players

bad drafting teams reach for need - sometimes it pays off but it's way more of a gamble in a process that's already basically a lottery

 

[cdp]

That's what is always tough to say. Obviously a different offense in Cinci but I always liked Higgins as well.

Obviously you can't predict anything, but I wonder if you ask DeCosta now if he'd still pick Queen over Higgins knowing that Harrison would be available in round 3. Kind of the same thing with Hurst and Andrews a couple of years ago. Do you still pick Hurst if you know Andrews is still available in round 3?

If you give me the chance to pick between a WR and another valueable positon, I'm almost always going to pick the latter. The way college football is played today, it ensures that the WR pipeline won't dry out. WR are the stars of NCAA football - other than qbs - supply is at an all-time high. Every draft you'll find good to great WR prospects across the board

 

[rossihunter2]

If you give me the chance to pick between a WR and another valueable positon, I'm almost always going to pick the latter. The way college football is played today, it ensures that the WR pipeline won't dry out. WR are the stars of NCAA football - other than qbs - supply is at an all-time high. Every draft you'll find good to great WR prospects across the board

that's true - the WR classes have been consistently impactful especially the last 4 or so

that being said to get the benefit of that pipeline you do still have to pick WRs

 

[LSURavenFan]

ARI/LAR should be a pretty good game next Sunday, essentially it's loser goes home. Probably ends up being the SNF game.

 

[RavensMania]

and if they do then there's likely someone else awesome who's gonna drop

i cannot wait to dive into the film this year whenever i do finally start grinding

I can't either. I'm hoping we can atleast get enough people on board to have the Forum Mock this year also.