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JoeyFlex5 said:
Ok well that’s cleared up, but this “culture” that you defend, where it’s ok to make your 4 year old child bleed by means of a weapon, is a barbaric and disgusting culture and it’s absolutely a wrong way to raise your child. I won’t be kissing my son on the mouth when he’s Tom Brady’s sons age, that’s for sure, but if I had to choose between that and making my son bleed with a stick, im choosing the one that doesn’t cause pain and fear and all kinds of twisted emotions towards your parent.

Children are supposed to respect their parents, not fear the shit out of them. Children are supposed to fear consequence to learn right from wrong, not fear the ones they love most. When you whip your child with a stick until they bleed you’re replacing that love they have for you with fear and anguish. AP is supposed to be his parent not his fucking correctional officer. That shit results in broken adolescents with mixed feelings towards their parents. This isn’t a spank on the ass, it’s WHIPPING UNTIL SKIN BREAKS WITH A SWITCH. It is a world of difference and if that’s your understanding of “acceptable” then you, yourself, are not acceptable.
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i mean id go further and say that even a "spank" is too much
it's lazy parenting to not be able to think of a way to get your child to learn something or behave "correctly" in non-abusive or "violent" ways

but i think the most prudent point here is that just because something was ok and "worked???" in the past does not make it good or right - the past is fucked up and filled with all sorts of things we now view as abhorrent (for good reason)
 
rossihunter2 said:
just because it happened to you doesnt make it right
and i dont believe for a second that youve never seen anyone traumatized or mentally fucked up from getting a beating especially if it happened all around you growing up

i just dont see how you can think that hitting a child doesnt leave a lasting impact on their psyche - at the very least you are changing the way they see the world and are teaching a child that it is inherently ok to communicate displeasure through violence rather than communicating verbally or by other means - at a minimum you are changing that - at the worst you are building an environment in which children fear their parents or you build lasting trauma

it's also not an effective tool for teaching good behaviour - all it does is force obedient behaviour in the presence of a parent but makes those behaviours more attractive in the absence of a parent (the forbidden fruit tastes sweetest) and basically you stunt their internal growing of self-discipline and a conscience and replace it with fear as the only controlling factor in behaviour

it also teaches them that might makes right - you are right as a parent simply because you are bigger and stronger and not because you are actually right - it teaches them that they can win an argument simply because they are bigger

it sets up children to tolerate abuse as a form of "love" and can lead them into tolerating and even yearning for physically abusive relationships because of the association of pain and control with "loving behaviour" ('i hit you because i love you')

there are many things the generations have done before us that were ok but now absolutely arent - there's a reason why smacking children is illegal in many countries including the UK
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im not saying youre wrong but what youre saying isnt accurate.. id never ever put my hands on a women. I have no respect for those who do. I swear to you i almost got in a fight in 7th grade simply cause the other guy punched a girl in the face. I said it was bitch move and he heard me. Didnt know him nor the girl. I also have over 20 cousins from the ages 10 and under, and around me i will jump in the way if theyre getting whoopings. Im not lookong from the outside in, i actually lived it.. been through it, seen it and done it all.
 
Deebo813 said:
im not saying youre wrong but what youre saying isnt accurate.. id never ever put my hands on a women. I have no respect for those who do. I swear to you i almost got in a fight in 7th grade simply cause the other guy punched a girl in the face. I said it was bitch move and he heard me. Didnt know him nor the girl. I also have over 20 cousins from the ages 10 and under, and around me i will jump in the way if theyre getting whoopings. Im not lookong from the outside in, i actually lived it.. been through it, seen it and done it all.
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what isnt accurate about it? im not talking about an anecdotal individual here im talking about the overall wider trend

id also like to point out that if you dont think whoopings are bad then why are you jumping in the way of whoopings for your family members?

but here's some actual research:

"There have now been hundreds of high-quality spanking research studies with a wide variety of samples and study designs. Over time, the quality of this research has improved to include better spanking measures and more sophisticated research designs and statistical methods.

The scientific evidence from these studies has consistently shown that spanking is related to harmful outcomes for children.


This has been best demonstrated in two landmark meta-analyses led by Elizabeth Gershoff.

The first paper, published in 2002, reviewed and analysed 88 studies published in the 62 years prior and found that physical punishment was associated with physical abuse, delinquency and antisocial behaviour.

An updated meta-analysis was most recently published in 2016. This reviewed and analysed 75 studies from the previous 13 years, concluding that there was no evidence that spanking improved child behaviour and that spanking was associated with an increased risk of 13 detrimental outcomes.

These include aggression, antisocial behaviour, mental health problems and negative relationships with parents.


We now have data that clearly demonstrates that spanking is not safe, nor effective. Of course this does not make parents who have used spanking bad parents. In the past, we simply did not know the risks."

and on top of all of this and perhaps the most damning thing of all:

"There are no research studies showing that spanking is beneficial for children. Those who say spanking is safe for a child if done in a specific way are, it would seem, simply expressing opinions. And these opinions are not supported by scientific evidence."

"The research clearly shows that spanking is related to an increased likelihood of many poor health, social and developmental outcomes. These poor outcomes include mental health problems, substance use, suicide attempts and physical health conditions along with developmental, behavioural, social and cognitive problems."

these are quotes from Tracie O Afifi and Elisa Romano who themselves are both experts in the field
 
rossihunter2 said:
i mean id go further and say that even a "spank" is too much
it's lazy parenting to not be able to think of a way to get your child to learn something or behave "correctly" in non-abusive or "violent" ways

but i think the most prudent point here is that just because something was ok and "worked???" in the past does not make it good or right - the past is fucked up and filled with all sorts of things we now view as abhorrent (for good reason)
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Now you’re saying spanking kids is too much? Really? It’s lazy parenting I’m sorry are you a parent? Obviously you were never spanked I can tell that much, but I was and I’m better for it. My mom used to whip out the wooden spoon in the kitchen when I did something that was really bad. And guess what, I didn’t do it anymore. Absolutely none of that shit that you’re talking about happened to me. Or ANYONE that I know. You’re just wrong. If you have no knowledge or experience with it don’t try to freaking tell me what happens to the kids.

Parents don’t spank or discipline their kids anymore and that’s why the world is filled with assholes. The world is worse off. I know SO many kids and young adults now that don’t get disciplined outside of taking their phone/tv away etc and it does nothing for them. They just do it all again because there’s no real consequences. You can say don’t beat your kid with a switch but don’t try to tell me spanking your kid is barbaric. Don’t speak on issues if you have no experience with it.
 
I think we should bring paddling back to school and really do it up by drilling a few 5/8" holes in it so it makes it sort of like a wiffle paddle so you just don't get just a red tinge but sort of a purplish hue on the backside and then make the kid sit for the rest of the school day on a wooden chair and make him do fractions with the dewey decimal system.
 
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rossihunter2 said:
i mean id go further and say that even a "spank" is too much
it's lazy parenting to not be able to think of a way to get your child to learn something or behave "correctly" in non-abusive or "violent" ways

but i think the most prudent point here is that just because something was ok and "worked???" in the past does not make it good or right - the past is fucked up and filled with all sorts of things we now view as abhorrent (for good reason)
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The holocaust was effective at ridding Central Europe of most of its Jews, I guess they did it good/right
 
Willbacker said:
I think we should bring paddling back to school and really do it up by drilling a few 5/8" holes in it so it makes it sort of like a wiffle paddle so you just don't get just a red tinge but sort of a purplish hue on the backside and then make the kid sit for the rest of the school day on a wooden chair and make him do fractions with the dewey decimal system.
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Pellet guns!
 
DeVito52 said:
Now you’re saying spanking kids is too much? Really? It’s lazy parenting I’m sorry are you a parent? Obviously you were never spanked I can tell that much, but I was and I’m better for it. My mom used to whip out the wooden spoon in the kitchen when I did something that was really bad. And guess what, I didn’t do it anymore. Absolutely none of that shit that you’re talking about happened to me. Or ANYONE that I know. You’re just wrong. If you have no knowledge or experience with it don’t try to freaking tell me what happens to the kids.

Parents don’t spank or discipline their kids anymore and that’s why the world is filled with assholes. The world is worse off. I know SO many kids and young adults now that don’t get disciplined outside of taking their phone/tv away etc and it does nothing for them. They just do it all again because there’s no real consequences. You can say don’t beat your kid with a switch but don’t try to tell me spanking your kid is barbaric. Don’t speak on issues if you have no experience with it.
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jumping to conclusions - i was spanked as a kid actually...
im not saying spanking is barbaric - im saying its outdated, useless and can create some really psychologically damaging long-term effects (im not saying that happens every time to every person)

all you're coming at me with is anecdotal evidence and im telling you not one single research study has declared spanking beneficial to a child's development and there are hundreds that say its detrimental - at best it does nothing positive and at worst its utterly destructive

why is pain the only discipline that would work for you?
 
DeVito52 said:
Parents don’t spank or discipline their kids anymore and that’s why the world is filled with assholes. The world is worse off.
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This is so wrong.

It takes time, patience and effort to raise children, not shortcuts like whooping, spanking, taking phones away under pretence of disciplining them.

Trust me. I am a parent.
 
allblackraven said:
Why? He'd only bring more of the same old.
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He’s not a starter but he’d add another dimension to the RB corps as a guy who compliments both of our guys right now and he’d cost next to nothing..... it’s the definition of a no risk high reward signing since he could turn into a Corey Clement type for us
 
This thread got really random. I'll just put this out there. Some don't agree with "spankings" or physical discipline, but I will guarantee that in the future, talking sternly to a child will be frowned upon because it's "not nice." I never knew the situation with Peterson, so I never got into it, but there's no ultimate method to raising a child. It's a real hit or miss job, no pun intended. Some kids are obviously more stubborn than others where they might need to be shown some force. Some kids can adhere through being told. I was the kid who put my hand on the stove to make sure that fire wasn't just folklore...
 
rossihunter2 said:
i dont understand your point...
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rossihunter2 said:
i mean id go further and say that even a "spank" is too much
it's lazy parenting to not be able to think of a way to get your child to learn something or behave "correctly" in non-abusive or "violent" ways

but i think the most prudent point here is that just because something was ok and "worked???" in the past does not make it good or right - the past is fucked up and filled with all sorts of things we now view as abhorrent (for good reason)
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Just being ironic referring this post
 
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