allblackraven
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I wonder what was the Marty's thinking behind Lamar getting number of snaps with Joe under center but having Lamar and Bob together only once yesterday. Those two seem like a better pair to run some fun plays.
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allblackraven
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It's too early for him. He should start as a QB coach, maybe OC.
No doubt someone might offer him HC role with all this offensive craze going on in the NFL.
Doubt he leaves for the NFL unless it’s a head coach position. My top choice is DeFillipo OC in Minnesota. I also like Matt LaFleur
with the money etc. he makes in college what is his incentive to go to the nfl for anything except a HC job?
Grim
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Yeah these teams are good examples of why I think this is an overstated concern. There just aren’t many HC out there who cultivate these other coaches. It seems like a problem for all teams and I think that’s just the reality. It’s hard to breed good coaches. Only coaches most people consider to be at a high level seem to cultivate these coaching trees.
I don’t think so but that’s probably because Harbaugh doesn’t seem to be a mastermind in football coordinating himself. He’s a great high level coach IMO but he lacks detail for granularity to call plays and that’s probably why we struggle honestly. He’s never been that guy.
Yeah I’m looking for guys right now but most of those guys are pretty great coaches. I guess my point is that I didn’t think there were many HC who consistently have great staff except for coaches widely considered great.
This may be true that all of those coaches were great coaches. Maybe Holmgren was the worst of the ones that I mentioned. I also agree that Harbaugh is a high level coach, but I still believe we need a change. We need a creative offensive mind in the house and someone who isn’t going to leave every year to become head coach of another team, so I favor an offensive head coach.
looking at the styles of offence i'd say lafleur might be a better fit but that titans offence has also been hella inconsistent
that vikings offence though refuses to run the ball at all - they run the ball 35% of the time which is the 2nd lowest mark in the nfl
not sure what it is - i feel like lafleur is being undone by mariota's inconsistency but i worry about the downgrade to the vikings offence despite having a better qb - pat shurmur was a big part of that offence
Grim
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It would be nice to have consistency on offense. I don’t care if they’re an OC or a DC as long as they have agile thinking and can think like both. Plenty of DC have shown they can produce good offenses under them. The key is knowing how to delegate this. I’m thinking that’s where Harbaugh struggles because it sounds like he’s a control freak and that’s fine if you actually know how to call offense and defense. Harbaugh doesn’t and it would be OK if he didn’t if he let his OC/DC do their job but our offense always seems the same so it’s either Harbaugh, Joe, or both
the problem is that you will also end up having to change OC every year because it will get pilfered by other teams looking for head coaches - you'll have to rebuild your staff every couple of years which adds to the struggle - very hard to stay consistent when your staff has to consistently change
Grim
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Belichick does it and he’s a defensive minded HC. We just need to find the next Belichick. Problem solved!
allblackraven
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Not immediate big money but you have to start somewhere. With $$ already made and a NFL QB coach / OC salary, he wouldn't exactly struggle.
he hasnt had to do it on offence for a while
and remember his OC is basically tom brady on the field (+BB is a genius anyway)
in fact until this year BB didnt have to change either of his coordinators for 6 years before that which is crazy - and most new england coordinators have been internal promotions
Grim
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That’s pretty remarkable to go 6 years on that team without any coaching turnover. I’m genuinely shocked but maybe teams stopped trying after the first few duds. Bill is a genius and I wish John could be close to him. Say what you want about the cheating crap which is dumb but he’s just smart and plays players to their strengths. He’s not the nicest but he gets results and winning cures everything
allblackraven
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He's a genius, alright. Bad thing for his staff is that even though they can learn a lot, greatness isn't contagious.
Hmmm I understand the thought of wanting a creative offensive mind in the house but I dont think what John Harbaugh has put together offensive staff wise is bad. One of the things that seem to hurt The Ravens offense after the 2014 season was a lack of good candidates to run a offensive system that Gary Kubiak left behind. Now currently The Ravens have good candidates to possibly continue to run a offensive system with out any problems. If Lamar Jackson really is the future franchise quarterback for The Ravens then I cant really name a better group of coaches to handle Jackson skillsets than Marty M, Greg Roman, and James UUrban especially if you consider the success they had with Mike Vick,Colin Karpernick , Donovan Mcnabb and etc.
Grim
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You know what I never considered until now? Or perhaps forgot about? I think that may be one area John screwed up—he shouldn’t have tried to duplicate Kubiak’s system without him. None of those guys are Gary and they will never be him. This is the square peg in a round hole issue that’s probably been a plague here for us. We seem to dictate terms to our OC and wonder why they don’t produce. We should hire guys who do what we want rather than make them do what we want. Unlike most I’m not calling for John’s head and want the season to play out first and I’m curious if it’s John or Joe or both; however, that falls squarely on him because he has seemed to try to replicate that success to no avail until they had to abandon it.
and this is why hiring an offensive minded HEAD coach would solve these problems - no longer are you beholden on a revolving door of offensive coordinators to either recreate your offensive system or completely change the system - you are able to maintain schematic consistency because your HC isnt getting poached to coordinate or head coach another team
Grim
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I still don’t think it’s necessary. You just need a head coach who trusts his coordinator to do their job. You’d have the same issues on defense otherwise. Just trust them to do what’s right and hire guys who you trust.
but my point is - if that coordinator does his job well, then he gets hired by another organisation to be their head coach and suddenly you have to either try and find another guy to come in and recreate that same offensive system or you find someone to come in and completely change the offence
and its not conducive to good football or team building if your offensive system has to change each year