allblackraven
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Trent is not an issue in that sense. Will be 32 when next season starts, not the picture of health, either.
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JoeyFlex5
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Link me this nonsense plz I have to see
gtalk12
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Ellicottraven
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Then, that may actually benefit in our negotiations with Stanley. Win-win as I see it.
rmcjacket23
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I mean, in fairness, he's pretty spot on.
Like does anybody think Lamar is going to be a thousand yard, 10-15/game rusher at age 30? I don't.
Short term... he's arguably the most dynamic player in the league. Long term, meaning 5-10 years from now, his success in the league will be largely based on his ability to throw the ball with accuracy and read defenses. I think that's an entirely fair analysis. If he continues to improve in that area, he'll be more like Russell Wilson, who continues to progress as a passer and is now one of the better one's in the league.
If he doesn't continue to improve, then yes, his career will be shorter than those who don't run. It won't necessarily be because of injury. It will be because, at some point, he will no longer have speed or elusiveness as an asset. Eventually, he'll be a 30,35,40+ time per game passer, and he'll need to be accurate.
I don't agree with the assessment that he's destined for injury, or that he can't progress as a passer. But I do agree with the assessment that his rushing skills, injury or no injury, will diminish over time, and that his long term salvation will be as a passer. And if there's not sufficient growth there, then he'll have more of like an 8-10 year career, rather than a 15-20 year career.
gtalk12
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He is a special runner, but I think it is more the fact that the defense is giving him. I never really looked at him as running well into year 9-10. I think he will settle into more of the Wilson and Watson type with the ability to run better than them.
Comparing him to Flacco is crazy. Take the running game out, and Lamar exceeds Joe in his "first" year starting. Flacco in year 1 threw for 2900 yards 14 tds and 12 ints.
Lamar is currently sitting at 11Tds with 5ints
rmcjacket23
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Without trying to pretend like I know what's in this guys head, based on how I read what he said, I think he means Lamar will eventually settle into the kind of QB who puts up stats and performs like Joe did as a veteran. Like its great that Lamar is performing better than Joe did as a rookie or 2nd year player, but frankly, that's kind of the bare minimum.
I would "guess" that his point is that once Lamar gets to a point where he's no longer nearly as effective as a runner, which could be two years from now or eight years from now (impossible to know at this point), as a passer, he never be any more or less effective than Joe Flacco ever was.
The question would be... does Lamar's abilities as a passer take a hit if he's less likely or can't run the football effectively? If he's not a threat to run, does he still complete 63%? Is he still a 7.5 YPA thrower?
Nobody knows.
allblackraven
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Wink makes a great point on Peters' performance in Seattle, I haven't seen anybody else mention it. Dude flew from LA to East Coast, studied playbook for 2 days, then flew all the way out west again and played like that?
I'd suffer about a month of jet lag.
I'd suffer about a month of jet lag.
JoeyFlex5
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in all fairness, wasn't that Joe's rookie year? While this is essentially Lamar's rookie year, in reality he is in his second season.
shit, I can't believe no one mentioned this.
rmcjacket23
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Yeah I guess its considered a "total quantity of games" at this point. 16 regular season games for Joe, 14 for Lamar. Lamar has performed pretty significantly better (except for Comp %) in basically every passing category in their first 14-16 regular season games.
Granted, Lamar had an entire offseason break between his first 7 vs last 7 to develop, learn the playbook, etc., which Joe didn't have.
I guess if you were to consider Lamar LTD year two vs Joe LTD year two, on a per game basis, it would break down like this:
Flacco:
7.1 YPA, 3.8% TD%, 2.6% INT%, 61.7% comp %
Lamar:
7.4 YPA, 4.4% TD%, 2.1% INT%, 61.0% comp %
So yards/attempt and completion % are pretty comparable at this stage in their careers, though Lamar is more favorable from a TD/attempt and INT/attempt basis.
I think the key thing to remember with Joe was... he pretty much got worse as he got progressed through his career. Like his first five years in the league (08-12) were much, much, much better than his last 5-6 with us (13-18).
His first 80 games:
60.5% comp pct, 7.1 YPA, 4.1% TD%, 2.2% INT%.
His last 83 games:
62.6% comp pct, 6.5 YPA, 3.5% TD%, 2.5% INT%.
And remember, those lost 83 games include the 2014 season, which may have been his best. Without that, those numbers get much, much worse.
Those last 5+ for Flacco would rank like this in the 2019 season:
Comp % - 20th
YPA - Tied for 30th
TD% - Tied for 27th
INT% - 24th
His first 5:
Comp % - 26th
YPA - Tied for 19th
TD% - 23rd
INT% - Tied for 19th
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Dude is a baller always has been. Funny how things work out. Just 2 seasons ago I wanted to trade for him and people here said that's stupid this isnt Madden etc.. now hes running back Int for us.
Didnt have to trade a 1st for him either. Only problem is hes not a Harbs kinda guy (really outspoken and confident). He's an EDC guy for sure.
I'd be very disappointed if we didn't sign him long term.
Plot twist u heard it here first. BB will throw Harbaugh a curve ball and the gameplan is to run the ball on us 40+ times.
Didnt have to trade a 1st for him either. Only problem is hes not a Harbs kinda guy (really outspoken and confident). He's an EDC guy for sure.
I'd be very disappointed if we didn't sign him long term.
Plot twist u heard it here first. BB will throw Harbaugh a curve ball and the gameplan is to run the ball on us 40+ times.
rmcjacket23
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I'm not even sure that'll be a curveball. Like I think that's a realistic choice for a gameplan.
My curveball is something I heard before... they'll play more zone coverage, and not blitz at all. They're I believe like the heaviest man defense, blitzing team in the league. My prediction is that they won't blitz, they'll stay back, play coverage (even some zone concepts) and commit to stopping the run and keeping Lamar in the pocket. And they'll force Lamar to make throws in tight windows.
Honestly Joe was pretty awful until around year 3, but that first offseason is certainly huge for NFL Players. An extra 4 months spent learning football rather then getting ready to be drafted (which means training in a bunch of useless things).
cdp
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Hightower and Collins are both 250+ lbs so I can see them using a DB and Kyle van Noy as inside backers. Whenever they're going light we need to run QB or rb power.
Another thing the Pats are fundamentally sound and know exactly what do within the structure of their calls. Sabans and Belichick's kind of defense are very similar in that regard. Lamar needs to be the playmaker like Watson was in the 2017 natty and create off structure big plays