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The Random Thought Thread

JoeyFlex5 said:
The Brandon Williams rework seems extremely random if it isn’t being used for something, that’s the kind of move that feels more likely than anything else
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Maybe.
1. I don't see it for Humphrey, because he's not even in year 4 yet. I'm not going to extend him this year, and his cap hit would skyrocket (upwards of an $8-10M increase this year alone) with an extension.
2. I'm not sure they needed to create space to extend Stanley. He already has a cap hit near $13M, so even on a long term extension, his cap probably would have only risen a couple million. They could have done this without restructuring.

It looks to me like the Ravens approach BWill and told him his 2021 cap hit, which is north of $14M next year, was too high, and that they weren't going to keep him at that price. With no guarantees left on his deal, and a declining salary cap which is almost certainly going to make it a challenging FA market for veterans, he probably realized his best opportunity for $ next year was to stay in Baltimore.

The restructure makes it extremely likely we keep him in 2021, and he'll likely make more here than he would have elsewhere.

Maybe they're going to do something with it, but it feels to me just like a proactive approach to what will be a challenging offseason next year for most around the league. I think there will be plenty of veterans around the league who are going to realize in the next 6-7 months that they're better off accepting paycuts and sticking around, rather than testing the market.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
The Brandon Williams rework seems extremely random if it isn’t being used for something, that’s the kind of move that feels more likely than anything else
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or it could be that with the expanded practice squads and the ability to have unlimited I/R DTRs we thought we needed more spare cap room than normal for the season?

it could also be that with no other deals going on now seemed like a good time to broach the subject with brandon and allow him to go into week 1 knowing that his future was secure
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Maybe they're going to do something with it, but it feels to me just like a proactive approach to what will be a challenging offseason next year for most around the league. I think there will be plenty of veterans around the league who are going to realize in the next 6-7 months that they're better off accepting paycuts and sticking around, rather than testing the market.
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this is what i think - they got ahead of a 2021 offseason move and it helped save some cap space now too and keeps a vet happy
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Maybe.
1. I don't see it for Humphrey, because he's not even in year 4 yet. I'm not going to extend him this year, and his cap hit would skyrocket (upwards of an $8-10M increase this year alone) with an extension.
2. I'm not sure they needed to create space to extend Stanley. He already has a cap hit near $13M, so even on a long term extension, his cap probably would have only risen a couple million. They could have done this without restructuring.

It looks to me like the Ravens approach BWill and told him his 2021 cap hit, which is north of $14M next year, was too high, and that they weren't going to keep him at that price. With no guarantees left on his deal, and a declining salary cap which is almost certainly going to make it a challenging FA market for veterans, he probably realized his best opportunity for $ next year was to stay in Baltimore.

The restructure makes it extremely likely we keep him in 2021, and he'll likely make more here than he would have elsewhere.

Maybe they're going to do something with it, but it feels to me just like a proactive approach to what will be a challenging offseason next year for most around the league. I think there will be plenty of veterans around the league who are going to realize in the next 6-7 months that they're better off accepting paycuts and sticking around, rather than testing the market.
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Why would his cap hit skyrocket when neither Mahomes nor Watson had their cap numbers move up despite being in year 4?

I mean I honestly expect a LOT of restructures next year. I expect teams to instead of treating it like a 1 year 175m dollar cap treating it more like a 2 year 400m cap.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Maybe.
1. I don't see it for Humphrey, because he's not even in year 4 yet. I'm not going to extend him this year, and his cap hit would skyrocket (upwards of an $8-10M increase this year alone) with an extension.
2. I'm not sure they needed to create space to extend Stanley. He already has a cap hit near $13M, so even on a long term extension, his cap probably would have only risen a couple million. They could have done this without restructuring.

It looks to me like the Ravens approach BWill and told him his 2021 cap hit, which is north of $14M next year, was too high, and that they weren't going to keep him at that price. With no guarantees left on his deal, and a declining salary cap which is almost certainly going to make it a challenging FA market for veterans, he probably realized his best opportunity for $ next year was to stay in Baltimore.

The restructure makes it extremely likely we keep him in 2021, and he'll likely make more here than he would have elsewhere.

Maybe they're going to do something with it, but it feels to me just like a proactive approach to what will be a challenging offseason next year for most around the league. I think there will be plenty of veterans around the league who are going to realize in the next 6-7 months that they're better off accepting paycuts and sticking around, rather than testing the market.
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I’m forgetting that Ramsey just fucking blew up the cb market, I was thinking we would wanna extend Humphrey while the market is light thanks to tredavious white, but then I remembered that whole deal is out the window
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I’m forgetting that Ramsey just fucking blew up the cb market, I was thinking we would wanna extend Humphrey while the market is light thanks to tredavious white, but then I remembered that whole deal is out the window
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I still think Hump gets closer to Tre White's contract than Jalen Ramsey's. Probably around 17.5m per
 
Adreme said:
Why would his cap hit skyrocket when neither Mahomes nor Watson had their cap numbers move up despite being in year 4?

I mean I honestly expect a LOT of restructures next year. I expect teams to instead of treating it like a 1 year 175m dollar cap treating it more like a 2 year 400m cap.
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Well that would depend on the structure of the contract.

Mahomes only got a $10M signing bonus on like a $450M extension and has a ton of roster bonuses on an annual basis. He gets $10M more in compensation this year than he was originally going to get, and the Chiefs get to punt his cap space down the road.

Watson was similar. $27M signing bonus, which he gets all in year 1, while the Texans spread that out over like 5 years, meaning his cap only increases by like $5M.

Note, of course, that Watson's cap hit from 2021 to 2022 goes from $16M to over $40M in just one offseason. While I fully understand those cap years will likely see dramatic swings, I wouldn't recommend signing literally anybody to a contract with a YoY cap increase of $24M. Even if the cap increased $40-50M that year, you just spent most of that on a player who was already on your roster.

Not withstanding the fact that we're comparing QBs to CBs, which we shouldn't be, the reality is any extension you give Marlon is going to come in the form of him getting more money this year. Same with Stanley.

The only question becomes how you pay it out. Most of the time, they leave the base salary alone, and give a large signing bonus, so the player has incentive to sign now (i.e. gets money earlier) and the team can spread it out.

For context, Jalen Ramsey got a $25M signing bonus.
 
Adreme said:
Why would his cap hit skyrocket when neither Mahomes nor Watson had their cap numbers move up despite being in year 4?

I mean I honestly expect a LOT of restructures next year. I expect teams to instead of treating it like a 1 year 175m dollar cap treating it more like a 2 year 400m cap.
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While I agree on the restructures, keep in mind that in order to restructure, there has to be something to restructure. Restructuring veterans who are on their last year of their deal basically can't be done. That would require an extension.

That's why if you look at our roster, there's really nobody to restructure. We just did BWill, and probably Peters is the only other one. Stanley will be on a new extension or franchise tag, Marlon will be on a new extension or 5th year option, and guys like Judon will be FAs.

The SMART teams are going to go bargain shopping in 2021, with an eye on having cap space to spend in 2022. If teams like the Eagles, for example, just restructure everybody until 2022, they won't be spending any money in FA for two years, not just one. You better feel really, really, really good about your current roster and your ability to draft to basically say "I'm not signing anybody for two years".
 
A good few drops came out.. them doing the BaltiMOre was what really got me.. I hope a player does a tribute to him or something in the first game back would love to see that
 
JO_75 said:
Must be nice....... Yet we can't even get HALF of that allowed in stadiums for Football Games.

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if my country and your country had aimed for covid-zero with their policies in march when this all hit then we'd be able to do similar right now - they didnt - so we cant
 
im rewatching the afc championship game we won vs NE and i noticed paul kruger, in the first quarter, after dropping a pick on a tip drill he gets up off the ground and starts yelling "shut the fuck up" is the most aggressive manner ive ever heard, his face was zoomed in on and it picked up the audio clear as day... i am DYING to know who he was yelling at and why, i cant find anything on it
 
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