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The Random Thought Thread

Sizzle said:
So is it really fan driven? If fans start going away and caring less, but revenue still increases, is this a fan driven league? Sure doesn’t feel that way to me
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The profitability of the business, and its revenue, yes, is tied to fan generated interest. That's pretty much true of everything. You could 100% have a decline in consumer preference for football while having no tangible change in the talent of the players. Consumer preference changes all the time from a variety of conditions.

My point about the "fan driven" mentality is that a sport doesn't need fans to exist. It needs fans to drive revenue and to be a more lucrative sport, but football can easily be played with nobody watching it. All that takes is a group of people who find it entertaining for themselves.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
No, they failed because there's also a saturation point, where consumers realize that they're not seeing the best possible product and they can get it for the same price somewhere else. Those organizations fail time and time again because they try to pretend like they're giving you a "professional" product at a high level, when every consumer knows they're not.

College football isn't the highest level of football being play, and they do incredibly well. Same thing with High School football.
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Remove the stars from the nfl and you get preseason football.

I’m really not about to do this shit where you argue to death a ridiculous point that nobody agrees with while you cherry pick small details here and there so you can say you’re right.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Remove the stars from the nfl and you get preseason football.

I’m really not about to do this shit where you argue to death a ridiculous point that nobody agrees with while you cherry pick small details here and there so you can say you’re right.
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Yup. And preseason football sells out most of their stadiums at face value ticket prices every year, and are among the most watched programming on TV in their time slots whenever they're on.

That's preseason football, where consumers know going in that the product isn't that great, and a lot of the players they've heard of either won't play or won't play for long.
Ticket sales aren't an issue. TV viewership, comparably to the rest of TV, is super high.

The answer to why that occurs, is my precise point.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Yup. And preseason football sells out most of their stadiums at face value ticket prices every year, and are among the most watched programming on TV in their time slots whenever they're on.

That's preseason football, where consumers know going in that the product isn't that great, and a lot of the players they've heard of either won't play or won't play for long.
Ticket sales aren't an issue. TV viewership, comparably to the rest of TV, is super high.

The answer to why that occurs, is my precise point.
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not many people buy single tickets to preseason games. They are typically season ticket holders who have already paid for the tickets. That being said, that's not really the point. Point is ...... the fans are the ones who make the game go.
 
RavensMania said:
not many people buy single tickets to preseason games. They are typically season ticket holders who have already paid for the tickets. That being said, that's not really the point. Point is ...... the fans are the ones who make the game go.
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They make the revenue go, yes.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
You think the afl and aafa failed because of the commissioner? No, they failed because the nfl features the best talent and those leagues weren’t worth watching. If the nfl began fielding an inferior product because the strong talent went elsewhere, casual fans would stop watching, which makes up damn near the entirety of the fan base.
and telling the players to get out of the spirit of the game and play with no edge, will result in a product that will lose fans.
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yes, I'd agree with this statement. They definitely would lose some fans. How many we don't know though.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
The profitability of the business, and its revenue, yes, is tied to fan generated interest. That's pretty much true of everything. You could 100% have a decline in consumer preference for football while having no tangible change in the talent of the players. Consumer preference changes all the time from a variety of conditions.

My point about the "fan driven" mentality is that a sport doesn't need fans to exist. It needs fans to drive revenue and to be a more lucrative sport, but football can easily be played with nobody watching it. All that takes is a group of people who find it entertaining for themselves.
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of course it can be played with no one watching it, but it wouldn't be. Lets be realistic about this.
 
RavensMania said:
even if it was free and people weren't attending games, they wouldn't do it. I'm not talking about the NFL last season, because they still made plenty. I'm talking about any sport.
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I mean sports don't need fans to exist. People can play them purely for entertainment, with no spectators whatsoever. No different than you and your buddies playing pickup basketball somewhere. I can go drive around a ten mile radius right now and find adults playing soccer or cricket with no spectators and no compensation. Sports don't require fans to exist. They require fans to drive compensation to be paid to play it.
 
RavensMania said:
of course it can be played with no one watching it, but it wouldn't be. Lets be realistic about this.
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Sure it would. It's happening all across America right now as you and I type this. People are playing sports that nobody is watching. You just don't know its happening, because it's not on TV and its not being advertised.

Sports are just a form of entertainment. Spectators just increase the likelihood of getting paid for it, and gives people a higher incentive to play it.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I mean sports don't need fans to exist. People can play them purely for entertainment, with no spectators whatsoever. No different than you and your buddies playing pickup basketball somewhere. I can go drive around a ten mile radius right now and find adults playing soccer or cricket with no spectators and no compensation. Sports don't require fans to exist. They require fans to drive compensation to be paid to play it.
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well that's obvious, but we are talking about professional sports, high school or college sports. Not a pick up game down the street.

All of these sports whether a professional, college or highs school game, whether you are at the game or not will make money from advertising. However if no one is going to watch the game, no one is going to advertise.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Sure it would. It's happening all across America right now as you and I type this. People are playing sports that nobody is watching. You just don't know its happening, because it's not on TV and its not being advertised.

Sports are just a form of entertainment. Spectators just increase the likelihood of getting paid for it, and gives people a higher incentive to play it.
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those other professional leagues have fans attending those games.
 
RavensMania said:
of course it can be played with no one watching it, but it wouldn't be. Lets be realistic about this.
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Sure it would. It's happening all across America right now as you and I type this. People are playing sports that nobody is watching. You just don't know its happening, because it's not on TV and its not being advertised.

Sports are just a form of entertainment. Spectators just increase the likelihood of getting paid for it, and gives people a higher incentive to play it.
RavensMania said:
those other professional leagues have fans attending those games.
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Sure, but there's professional sports where like 100 people attend and there's no TV. There's still people doing it, it's just not lucrative and they're not doing it for the money. They're doing it because they're good at it and they enjoy doing it.
 
redrum52 said:
Figured priorities would be OL, DL and safety next draft.
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100% - although i might change safety to defensive back generally - depending on what's happening with jimmy and averett next offseason we might want to invest in another young corner (especially with peters and tavon only having a year left on their deals after this year too)
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Sure it would. It's happening all across America right now as you and I type this. People are playing sports that nobody is watching. You just don't know its happening, because it's not on TV and its not being advertised.

Sports are just a form of entertainment. Spectators just increase the likelihood of getting paid for it, and gives people a higher incentive to play it.

Sure, but there's professional sports where like 100 people attend and there's no TV. There's still people doing it, it's just not lucrative and they're not doing it for the money. They're doing it because they're good at it and they enjoy doing it.
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100 people attend. You just said it right there. They have fans attending! It doesn't have to be TV.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I think its pretty clear from the surgery and timeline that he's going on IR and likely won't play in a game until October. Not the end of the world for sure, but I think Harbaugh's September reference was probably for a return to practice.
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No need to rush him back anyways. I’m fine with this. As much as I’d like it, he wasn’t going to have a Justin Jefferson type season anyways.
 
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