• Welcome to PurpleFlock! Sign up here so that you can chat with your fellow Ravens fans.

The Random Thought Thread

Harbaugh didn't want him, he was a threat.
I’ve ALWAYS felt like this. Only saving grace is that we picked Kubiak instead. I probably would never forgive Harbaugh had he picked someone like Trestman over Kyle (though I seriously would not put it past him if given the opportunity)
 
Legitimate question. Does anyone think that the 49ers defense is significantly better than ours? To me they seem to be similar, which is in the top 10. They may just not suffer from the choking act that our team does.

The reason I bring it up is because the 49ers philosophy is pretty similar to us but the actual system can make Jimmy G or whoever the fuck the 3rd stringer rookie is look amazing.

Imagine if Lamar was the QB for the 49ers or if Shanahan was was the HC/OC here.
Their Front 7 is significantly better than ours. In fact its significantly better than most in the league.

Our secondary is better.

Offensively its not close. They have better skill position players, an Oline that's comparable, and a materially better play caller.
 
I’ve ALWAYS felt like this. Only saving grace is that we picked Kubiak instead. I probably would never forgive Harbaugh had he picked someone like Trestman over Kyle (though I seriously would not put it past him if given the opportunity)
It was definitely on Harbaugh - Kubiak, Trestman, Marty were all picked in succession and they shared one thing - no HC ambition.
 
It was definitely on Harbaugh - Kubiak, Trestman, Marty were all picked in succession and they shared one thing - no HC ambition.
Damn, didn’t even look at it that way
 
are you talking about offence or defence or both? got a little bit confused...
Sorry wasn't written clearly. Definitely asking about the defense. The reason being because people are saying the 49ers defense plus KS's offensive system will carry them possibly to the SB even without Jimmy G.

I was thinking like our defense is probably close to as good as theirs. Yeah we don't quite have the weapons on offense as them but Lamar is significantly better than any of their QBs. We've got the line and some decent running backs. Have Andrews. Would be really cool to see what someone like KS could do with Lamar. (obviously that will never happen on the Ravens)

I bet if in a different reality we had KS running this offense with Lamar people would be saying the same thing about us as they are the 49ers.
 
Their Front 7 is significantly better than ours. In fact its significantly better than most in the league.

Our secondary is better.

Offensively its not close. They have better skill position players, an Oline that's comparable, and a materially better play caller.
Totally agree. If you only swapped GRo for KS this is probably a different story offensively this year. Just my hunch.

49ers are real SB contenders. That should've been us too. But another year of injuries.
 
As reported by Mink?
No, how do you report on a hypothetical?

Common sense would tell you John wasn't close to being fired around the time Shanahan was hired. And at that time, Shanahan wasn't like a great OC either. Was fired from Washington, resigned from Cleveland after one season. Like many in the Shanahan coaching tree, that guy bounced around a LOT.
 
It was definitely on Harbaugh - Kubiak, Trestman, Marty were all picked in succession and they shared one thing - no HC ambition.
Umm... is this post serious? This was a joke right?

If Kubiak had no HC ambition, somebody forgot to tell him that, considering he left immediately for a HC job. The only reason he was the OC for us is because he got fired from being a HC (for a long time mind you) and couldn't immediately get a new one.

Trestman is literally the same thing. Only reason he's available to be the OC of the Ravens is because he got fired from being a HC. Spent 5 years as a HC in the CFL, then two years in Chicago. When he was fired by the Ravens, guess what he did next? HC in the CFL.

Like those two guys literally had nothing but HC ambitions.

The only one that probably didn't was Marty. And he got the job because they fired Trestman mid-season (proving that firing OC's mid-season does NOT necessarily lead to a waterfall of offensive output). Marty was already on the staff as QBs coach, and he kept the job because he had like 15 years of experience calling plays in the NFL. Including some very successful stints doing so elsewhere.

What's next? We going to keep trying to sell people that Kubiak was Steve's idea, despite the only paper in town that reported it having to post a retraction because it was proven wrong?
 
No, how do you report on a hypothetical?

Common sense would tell you John wasn't close to being fired around the time Shanahan was hired. And at that time, Shanahan wasn't like a great OC either. Was fired from Washington, resigned from Cleveland after one season. Like many in the Shanahan coaching tree, that guy bounced around a LOT.
he also was a big reason the Falcons didn't beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl.
 
Harbaugh didn't want him, he was a threat.
Do you think Harbaugh would still be afraid of hiring an OC who hasn't failed very publicly somewhere else, in case he becomes a threat?

He's got another 6 years of tenure since he hired Morhinweg, another successful spell behind a good offense would probably make Harbaugh's position unchallengeable, no matter how good the young coach was.

At least I hope that how he thinks when he's hiring, but Harbaugh's first priority has always been his own survival.
 
he also was a big reason the Falcons didn't beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl.
I mean yeah, but like, read the sentence back. We're knocking an OC for losing A SUPERBOWL.
I promise you I won't ever trash a play caller for losing a SB, due to the fact that it takes a tremendous effort from a play caller just to get to the SB.
 
I mean yeah, but like, read the sentence back. We're knocking an OC for losing A SUPERBOWL.
I promise you I won't ever trash a play caller for losing a SB, due to the fact that it takes a tremendous effort from a play caller just to get to the SB.
it's definitely arguable, but call one or two run plays instead of a passing play and they win. Sure the players could have been more effective also, the the blame gets spread around. I also give him the benefit to be in that position and in that position so late in the game with a huge lead. The defense should have done their job also and if it's on anyone, it really should be them.
 
Do you think Harbaugh would still be afraid of hiring an OC who hasn't failed very publicly somewhere else, in case he becomes a threat?

He's got another 6 years of tenure since he hired Morhinweg, another successful spell behind a good offense would probably make Harbaugh's position unchallengeable, no matter how good the young coach was.

At least I hope that how he thinks when he's hiring, but Harbaugh's first priority has always been his own survival.
Agreed. This whole "he's afraid of somebody taking his job" narrative makes literally no sense.

Like play it out... how does it happen? If the offense is working great, via a great play caller, there's a strong possibility the team is winning games or is competitive. In that case... why are you firing the HC? You fire the HC if the team is consistently losing. And if the team is consistently losing, pretty good chance the OC isn't setting the world on fire either, so not much reason to promote them.

Basically haven't really seen many, or any (I can't really think of any) where a team fired a HC, promoted their OC to HC, and were successful doing so. So not sure why the Ravens would be any different.

The most likely outcome is the one we see time and time again... team hires quality OC, he does well, leaves shortly after for a HC gig on another team, not the one he's currently coaching for.

It's also sort of "duh" that a coaches job is to promote their own survival. Is that not your job also? End of day, every coach, GM, and player in that league's first priority is job security for themselves. Don't let anybody fool you into thinking they're out here doing the "greater good". They're not.
BUT, simultaneously, job security is almost exclusively tied to W/L record for HC's. So if you're perpetually hiring bad coordinators just so you can look better, it'll have the opposite effect. You'll fail with them, and then you'll get fired.
 
Agreed. This whole "he's afraid of somebody taking his job" narrative makes literally no sense.

Like play it out... how does it happen? If the offense is working great, via a great play caller, there's a strong possibility the team is winning games or is competitive. In that case... why are you firing the HC? You fire the HC if the team is consistently losing. And if the team is consistently losing, pretty good chance the OC isn't setting the world on fire either, so not much reason to promote them.

Basically haven't really seen many, or any (I can't really think of any) where a team fired a HC, promoted their OC to HC, and were successful doing so. So not sure why the Ravens would be any different.

The most likely outcome is the one we see time and time again... team hires quality OC, he does well, leaves shortly after for a HC gig on another team, not the one he's currently coaching for.
yep, that has never happened. I can think of one of the top of my head where it should have happened but didn't. The skins should have fired Gruden and hired McVay, but this wasn't a case where the team was doing well consistently.
 
Top