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Adreme said:
Shocking that an injured QB is not playing well. Yes a healthy Burrow is the 2nd best QB in the league and its not close. A Burrow who cannot move behind an OLine that cannot block is not going to play well.

I am going to assume you are smart enough to know this, at least I certainly hope you are, but are desperate for any scrap of proof to your argument, because your premise was clearly wrong, that you now try to argue a 1 legged Burrow behind a bad OLine proves your point when it clearly does not. You know your argument is disingenuous and it is sad, and reeks a tad bit of desperation, that you would even attempt to make it.
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No one cares when Herbert or Lamar was hurt. Yea it’s a little tongue and cheek but it’s also just funny. Obviously he’s hampered but I still simply don’t agree with your absolutism on him being #2 and the gap not being close
 
Sooky said:
If Lamar played like Burrow has in the first 4 games he would be getting the Justin Fields treatment.
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Exactly, they’d be saying see his play style requires him to be 100% healthy to be effective since he can’t throw like a traditional pocket passer.
 
rossihunter2 said:
2nd best in the league and not close is a massive over-exaggeration

He’s clearly in that 2nd best conversation but there’s a tier of guys who’ve got great arguments for that spot ahead of him

To say it’s not close is ridiculous

Josh Allen fans would argue he’s clearly 2nd and it’s not even close…

Mahomes

Allen
Burrow
Lamar
Herbert
Hurts

TLaw and Tua hoping to break into that group
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For me its just that out of all, borruw is the only one who deserves and earned that #2 spot! After this season, it could very well be borrow vs allen for the #2 spot though. Dnt forgot about stafford, he is a bad situation right now but we all know what he can do
 
Tank said:
If Burrow didn’t get within 4 points of a Super Bowl win he’d also be getting the Justin Fields treatment.
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It’s always he got to a super bowl and an AFCCG, it bugs me to no end knowing it was all made possible by Tyler Huntley’s all time decision. And some of the luck the year prior too. But alas, I know RMC about to come in and school me about hypotheticals versus objective realities
 
I don't think anyone thinks Gordon sucks as a RB. We know he can run. We know he has decent vision. Good enough routes. We all know what the fans concerns are but I'm not saying it out of fear.
 
redrum52 said:
I don't think anyone thinks Gordon sucks as a RB. We know he can run. We know he has decent vision. Good enough routes. We all know what the fans concerns are but I'm not saying it out of fear.
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He looked slow as shit in preseason. Hasn’t looked that way in his last 2 games fortunately
 
OURavensFan said:
It’s always he got to a super bowl and an AFCCG, it bugs me to no end knowing it was all made possible by Tyler Huntley’s all time decision. And some of the luck the year prior too. But alas, I know RMC about to come in and school me about hypotheticals versus objective realities
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you got that right......all around
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I think the Bengals having a bad Oline is a bit exaggerated, but its not great. Would point out they have Orlando Brown (who to this day some people on here prefer over Stanley as a LT), another first rounder at Tackle, and two veteran interior lineman who played well elsewhere. It's not like it's unhealthy or that he's trotting out a Texans-level roster with mid-round rookie lineman everywhere.

While I don't think this line is good, I think its average. And I definitely think there are things Burrow does to make his Oline look worse.

But yes, he has a probably more severe calf injury than most people would think, and it's clearly making him limited. He effectively can't throw the ball down field, and everybody knows it.
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While they have high draft capital outside of Brown all of their linemen grade terribly. I wouldn’t have their OLIne in the top 20 with that setup. As we both know being drafted highly (Justin Fields) does not mean you will be better than someone drafted later (Brock Purdy). Having highly drafted busts is rarely how you build a good line. It’s not quite Giants bad but it can certainly see them from a glass bottom boat.

Even more than Burrow can’t push it, he also can’t move out of the pocket do now you have an immobile QB who can’t move or push the ball downfield who if they had let rest for a month, they would probably have the same record and yet be an actual threat. Suddenly I am less bothered by how cautious Harb is with injuries when you have organizations like the Bengals.
 
OURavensFan said:
No one cares when Herbert or Lamar was hurt. Yea it’s a little tongue in cheek but it’s also just funny. Obviously he’s hampered but I still simply don’t agree with your absolutism on him being #2 and the gap not being close
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It’s not just me, it’s just about every coach, scout, and GM. Allen COULD be in that conversation if he could be more consistent, and Herbert if he was better in the 4th but Burrow (healthy) is the only non Mahomes QB you can say is great without qualifying it.
 
I have struggled to actually find more than 3 games I like this week which is a first since probably 2021.

I kinda regret that I have not fought with @rmcjacket23 much this week as that usually helps me iron out my good picks. Right now though outside of 3 games (Buffalo, Jets, Texans) I could be talked into every other game going either way, which is an odd feeling for Thursday.
 
Adreme said:
I have struggled to actually find more than 3 games I like this week which is a first since probably 2021.

I kinda regret that I have not fought with @rmcjacket23 much this week as that usually helps me iron out my good picks. Right now though outside of 3 games (Buffalo, Jets, Texans) I could be talked into every other game going either way, which is an odd feeling for Thursday.
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Well if its anything like how you laid out week 1, you're better off betting less games.
Should have argued last week. I went 8 for 8. And I guarantee I was on the other side of a lot of games for you.

I probably won't bet the game, mostly because I think the line is priced right, but Buffalo checks every box of a "let down" spot that you see with pretty much every team in this spot. You're getting them off a massive win, long travel overseas, against a team that's been there all week. Buffalo winning by 6 wouldn't surprise me, but there's just not many versions of the NFL where they blow the Jags out.

Of the games I've looked at, there's two principles that hold true over the long run... with Vrabel and Tomlin, fade them as favorites, bet them as dogs. I'm looking to get $ on Indy and Pittsburgh this week.

I think its also time to buy low on Cincinnati. Cincinnati and Arizona are not equals in terms of quality, and they're priced as if they are.

Games I may not bet, but the Jets are sort of "fools gold" at the moment coming off a "good" performance against KC, and I can tell you the sharps will absolutely be taking the Vikings getting anything more than a FG, and many will sprinkle in the ML on that one. Chiefs are a dreadful cover team as a favorite above 3 points. Like printing $ bad. And the higher that # gets, the more dreadful they are ATS.

Texans game I have no real read on. Texans are at their absolute high, and Falcons are probably at their absolute low. Those two teams are pretty on-par with each other in the long run.
 
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