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Andrews has been great for us. He’s not at the level are some of the other receiving threats in the league. Not even close

We should be able to score just as much without him
 
Tank said:
Not sure what this stat even means. I think anyone that has watched our games this year can plainly see Lamar's deep ball touch has been off. Hopefully he's been working on it during the bye, we'll need that facet of the game to be clicking in the next few weeks and into the tournament.
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It means he throws a more catchable deep ball than the other guys but the completion percentage is lower.

Now why do we think that is? Lol
 
OURavensFan said:
Tyreek Hill better get MVP before Brock Purdy gets it, he’s not even the 4th best player on their offense, let alone team
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the eagles and 9ers have the top two roster, it wasn't a problem with hurts being the mvp frontrunner even though he had a wr that was a mvp candiate, nothing wrong with purdy getting it hes outplayed dak and hurts and beat them big
 
Tank said:
Do you believe that?
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It’s not a matter of what I do or don’t believe. The stats are what they are.

The story they tell is that our guys don’t track the ball well and don’t make plays on the ball when it’s catchable.

I don’t see much more for discussion unless you believe the ball needs to be thrown even better than good.

At some point one of these guys are going to have to win one of those balls. In general, they haven’t done a good job. That’s what those numbers mean.
 
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gtalk12 said:
It’s not a matter of what I do or don’t believe. The stats are what they are.

The story they tell is that our guys don’t track the ball well and don’t make plays on the ball when it’s catchable.

I don’t see much more for discussion unless you believe the ball needs to be thrown even better than good.

At some point one of these guys are going to have to win one of those balls. In general, they haven’t done a good job. That’s what those numbers mean.
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Lamar does throw a catchable deep ball….. if flash was our wr.. No stat can be created that would convince me that lamar deeps passes have been on the money..
his deep passes are usually over thrown so even though its basically catchable, because its thrown in the field of play and out of the defenders reach, its also out of his wrs reach too..
 
Tank said:
Not sure what this stat even means. I think anyone that has watched our games this year can plainly see Lamar's deep ball touch has been off. Hopefully he's been working on it during the bye, we'll need that facet of the game to be clicking in the next few weeks and into the tournament.
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I know you're not Lamar's biggest fan, but your feigning ignorance is astounding at times. Like, there's no other way to interpret these stats by anything other than what they say.

Also, as an example I've brought up before-

Look at the deep ball to OBJ in the Chargers game.

Chargers show blitz. Lamar recognizes this and works to get the ball out quick and puts it deep to OBJ. Actually an amazing pass that... fell onto the turf. Damn Lamar deep ball...

Except that if you watch the play, Lamar has that ball out early and in a great spot, but OBJ, who had a free release, didn't get into his release or route quickly. He stutters and tries to get the corner to move his feet before setting into his route. He wastes so much critical time. Had OBJ just sent it and ran, it's a completion (or at the very least, OBJ gets two hands on it.)

Fans like yourself will see "Lamar's deep ball is a bit off," but the objective crowd will see Lamar showed amazing play recognition and threw with anticipation, but OBJ didn't get to his spot with urgency against showed blitz.

Plays like above are why I advocate so heavily for why deep balls are a wide receiver stat as much as a quarterback one. Route running, tracking, hand fighting, boxing/stacking the cornerback are all so critical to a successful deep ball. It's why guys like Mike Williams and Vincent Jackson, despite not being particularly fast, are great deep ball receivers (or were in Jackson's case) and why someone like Duvernay, despite being fast, is not.

And as a really BLATANT example- look at Tua in 2020 and 2021 and the narrative surrounding his noodle arm and look at how well regarded he is for his deep ball in 2023. I wonder if he added one of the best ever deep ball receivers in NFL history between that time?
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
I know you're not Lamar's biggest fan, but your feigning ignorance is astounding at times. Like, there's no other way to interpret these stats by anything other than what they say.

Also, as an example I've brought up before-

Look at the deep ball to OBJ in the Chargers game.

Chargers show blitz. Lamar recognizes this and works to get the ball out quick and puts it deep to OBJ. Actually an amazing pass that... fell onto the turf. Damn Lamar deep ball...

Except that if you watch the play, Lamar has that ball out early and in a great spot, but OBJ, who had a free release, didn't get into his release or route quickly. He stutters and tries to get the corner to move his feet before setting into his route. He wastes so much critical time. Had OBJ just sent it and ran, it's a completion (or at the very least, OBJ gets two hands on it.)

Fans like yourself will see "Lamar's deep ball is a bit off," but the objective crowd will see Lamar showed amazing play recognition and threw with anticipation, but OBJ didn't get to his spot with urgency against showed blitz.

Plays like above are why I advocate so heavily for why deep balls are a wide receiver stat as much as a quarterback one. Route running, tracking, hand fighting, boxing/stacking the cornerback are all so critical to a successful deep ball. It's why guys like Mike Williams and Vincent Jackson, despite not being particularly fast, are great deep ball receivers (or were in Jackson's case) and why someone like Duvernay, despite being fast, is not.

And as a really BLATANT example- look at Tua in 2020 and 2021 and the narrative surrounding his noodle arm and look at how well regarded he is for his deep ball in 2023. I wonder if he added one of the best ever deep ball receivers in NFL history between that time?
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Oh believe me in the Flacco vs Dalton debates, it’s all about deep ball tracking, Marlon Brown and Tandon Doss sucked
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
I know you're not Lamar's biggest fan, but your feigning ignorance is astounding at times. Like, there's no other way to interpret these stats by anything other than what they say.

Also, as an example I've brought up before-

Look at the deep ball to OBJ in the Chargers game.

Chargers show blitz. Lamar recognizes this and works to get the ball out quick and puts it deep to OBJ. Actually an amazing pass that... fell onto the turf. Damn Lamar deep ball...

Except that if you watch the play, Lamar has that ball out early and in a great spot, but OBJ, who had a free release, didn't get into his release or route quickly. He stutters and tries to get the corner to move his feet before setting into his route. He wastes so much critical time. Had OBJ just sent it and ran, it's a completion (or at the very least, OBJ gets two hands on it.)

Fans like yourself will see "Lamar's deep ball is a bit off," but the objective crowd will see Lamar showed amazing play recognition and threw with anticipation, but OBJ didn't get to his spot with urgency against showed blitz.

Plays like above are why I advocate so heavily for why deep balls are a wide receiver stat as much as a quarterback one. Route running, tracking, hand fighting, boxing/stacking the cornerback are all so critical to a successful deep ball. It's why guys like Mike Williams and Vincent Jackson, despite not being particularly fast, are great deep ball receivers (or were in Jackson's case) and why someone like Duvernay, despite being fast, is not.

And as a really BLATANT example- look at Tua in 2020 and 2021 and the narrative surrounding his noodle arm and look at how well regarded he is for his deep ball in 2023. I wonder if he added one of the best ever deep ball receivers in NFL history between that time?
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Hill makes plays on the ball and can track one better than anyone else.

I didn’t think this would be some sort of revelation but when you have fast strong guys they tend to do shit like that for their QB.
 
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