and the Steelers haven't used him that way at all. Even the Steelers fans know he has been used much differently than how we used him.
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For the record, here is what you said:
"I did think it was odd for a LB to have 10 INTs but shrugged it off as all I hear about is how he has had a resurgence this year so figured maybe that was why."
You misread the box score and decided to not fact check something that would be lighting up NFL news as historic because you'd heard he'd played well. You're blaming it on looking at Bland's stats, but simultaneously admitting that Bland has 9 interceptions, so it couldn't be that. Just admit that you made a bad claim.
Even if Bush is having a better year with Cleveland, he's still not an every down linebacker and he's struggling in coverage. Sure, he's playing well against the run this year, but he's hardly a successful first round pick when run thumping linebackers are a dime a dozen these days.
I didn't claim Bud Dupree was a good pick (I said nothing about Dupree.) I said Bush was horrendous, Edmunds and Burns were bad picks that are only "bad" because they were late firsts, not a top 10 pick that the Steelers traded up for like Bush. I haven't said a thing about the Steelers general drafting; just that you're really overselling the contributions of Burns, Bush, and Edmunds as Steelers.
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
I hear you and Simba. You both said the same thing and that was my original take when it was happening. I've just been reflecting and thought there was a chance that he caught on to the issues faster than us obviously and maybe that was his panic changeup.
I'd list Kyle van noy as a starter but not Nelson, so equals out to 3 still. Awesome stat I never have thought about
The degree that you shamelessly lie is impressive. You literally, when quoting me intentionally left out the previous sentence because it makes your follow up to it complete nonsense.
I will give the benefit of the doubt and I assume I have to go into yet more detail, because the alternative is assuming you have zero integrity as a person and I do not like doing that. So I will try again. First, I didn't say it was Bland I was looking up. I was only saying somehow Bland did not have 10 INTs the season he set the record. I did look him up but I the person in question was Xavien Howard. To be specific I both was sure Bland had 10 INTs and thought that when Diggs hit 10 INTs that it was most in some long stretch of time so to me the last 2 people to have 10 INTs would be Bland and Diggs, or it was going to be someone from 20 years ago that I had no chance at getting. I still do not believe Howard had 10 INTs but the stat page was right there and I couldn't really argue with it.
Again though I will ask you the same question because you keep assuming I am misreading Bush's box score: what on his box score is a 10? I am looking at it right now and there is not a 10 on there.
Meanwhile on topic you cant both be a good player and be horrendous. Bud Dupree was an overall bad player. He was basically ZDS if after leaving he was trash. However lets dwell on the more important topic. You seem to have a definition of bad that would make 80% of mid to late first round picks bad. That probably means your definition is flawed. I mentioned Oweh in this because this time last year I thought Oweh was a bad pick as well but then I looked at every 31 pick for the past decade and he was the best. That told me my definition of bad was off and I adjusted accordingly. Basically if right now the player is an above average NFL player, which they are, then they are certainly good value for a late 1st.
I just consider that a reminder that somehow Hamilton was not a top 10 pick. I remember mocks had him as a lock in the top 5 and he is just sitting there at 14.
Dude, you made a really bad mistake. I'm not going to keep going back and fetching what you literally said, but what this essentially boils down to is you said Bush was having a great year because he had 10 interceptions and used that as a defense for why he's having a great season (in addition to hearing from people that he's having a resurgence.)
I had assumed Bland was the player you searched because you had used "relatedly" in relation to Blanr and I thought you were saying that was the player you'd searched for. I made the wrong assumption.
Still, even if you were looking up Howard, he didn't have 10 interceptions. So, even if you were reading the wrong box score, no one had 10 interceptions on this season (Howard isn't even playing this season to boot), so it just keeps adding up to a really bad defense.
I'm not here to talk about Dupree. I'm here to talk about Edmunds, Burns, and Bush. Burns is a backup cornerback, Bush is a two down rotational linebacker, and Edmunds is out of the league. None of them were good picks, but Bush might represent the worst value since he was trash on the Steelers after they traded up to 10 to take him.
As for your definition- Edmunds, Burns, and Bush aren't above average players and Bush wasn't a late first round pick, so none would meet the definition of being a good pick.
Bottom line is this: I do not think that Edmunds was above average, Bush is having a great season, or that Burns was just mediocre. I think Edmunds was overdrafted and would have benefited from being a mid round pick that could have been a third safety or more of a linebacker. Burns quickly fell out of favor in Pittsburgh due to poor play and hasn't been able to establish any consistency as a rotational player for his subsequent teams. As for Bush, he cost the Steelers their first three picks to be a top 10 pick and was awful on the Steelers and is currently a rotational linebacker who should not play on passing downs. He also definitely doesn't have 10 interceptions.
allblackraven
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JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
There’s different calibers of 2 WR1s. Their 2nd WR1 is better than our first WR1 and our WR2(who is not a 2nd WR1) would barely see targets in that offense and wouldn’t be a WR1 on basically any team in the league outside of like NEx.com
x.com
I should have never started scrolling thru twitter
think it might have been a combination of not trusting the edge rush and trenton simpson in coverage
but also possibly fears about the safety play and confidence in our CB play
it was slightly less extreme but notable that mike macdonald completely changed that defence halfway through his debut season too
airconteka
MVP
The learning curve is an actual thing. High risk reward with Orr but this organisation has earned the benefit of doubt in these moves. No doubt in my mind he will be a HC one day, 2 3rds for developing our guy. Just a great story after his injury history.
Now the real question is, will Orr appear on the injury report.
Now the real question is, will Orr appear on the injury report.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
You keep saying cam, do you mean pees?
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
Funny thing is - since our D turned it around, the game plan seems to be on the money from the first snap. That wasn't happening under Mike, always had to adjust. I think DP might have helped there.
Our D line is now playing better than last season, too. We are creating pressure with 4 almost every time.
RaineV1
Ravens Ring of Honor
I've been seeing so many posts on the net about the Giants ruining their franchise since they failed to get 1st overall in the draft. Too many believe that the top pick is a guaranteed franchise changer, and that you can't get that guy otherwise. The Jags have back to back first overall picks on their team, and have four wins this season.
Like one 1st overall in the last 5 drafts has actually been that kind of guy, Joe Burrow back in 2020. And honestly no qb in this draft looks like a second coming of Burrow.
Like one 1st overall in the last 5 drafts has actually been that kind of guy, Joe Burrow back in 2020. And honestly no qb in this draft looks like a second coming of Burrow.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
I don’t see a franchise turnaround kinda qb in this draft. I don’t see it with sanders, maybe a respectable decent qb but I don’t see a failsafe slam dunk qb, cam ward is a toss up, like he could be something as a dual threat but I could see him not panning out just as easily. Terrible class to have the first overall pick imo, because I can’t think of a single player I’d like to spend that pick on.
Having the first overall pick would be great for trading it to a reckless FO who would sell the farm just to have any qb.