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Sandtown said:
Even the way the defense played against the bills in playoffs wasnt bad. They gave up some yards here and there but the defense never allowed the game to get away.. just couldn't get any turnovers
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Bills still dam near put up their avg ppg on us. If he actually turned things around, the defense wouldve been good leading into this season yet we are worst in history.
 
Baltimorican said:
I'm still shockingly high on Orr. I think he's been dealt some tough hands early on for two seasons straight but if he turns it around again it will just prove adaptability as a strength. We have no pass rush. Zero, zilch, nada. If the ravens' d can be average that's a good job by the DC.

Monken otoh, I am very worried about. The goal line and 4th down play calling is make or break football and he's been gawdawful. Every time I see Henry not even on the field for those situations I know they will fail.
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Orr isnt ready yet
 
Baltimorican said:
I'm still shockingly high on Orr. I think he's been dealt some tough hands early on for two seasons straight but if he turns it around again it will just prove adaptability as a strength. We have no pass rush. Zero, zilch, nada. If the ravens' d can be average that's a good job by the DC.

Monken otoh, I am very worried about. The goal line and 4th down play calling is make or break football and he's been gawdawful. Every time I see Henry not even on the field for those situations I know they will fail.
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When we were in a red zone passing situation against the rams and 3 straight plays without Hopkins on the field, it’s just egregious
 
Sooky said:
With margins so thin in the NFL, you can’t have what many view as a top 10 defensive roster and be the worst defense in the league for 11 weeks last year and 6 weeks already this year. I get hiccups and a bad stretch, but 2/3 of the year last year and already 1/3 of the year this year has been absolutely terrible.

I can understand last year and look away. A lot of defensive staff left, it was Orr’s first year, and communication issues caused some of the issues. What I can’t stand for is how is this not fixed in an entire offseason.
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I definitely have the same thoughts but at the same time I don't know if the EDC did a great to help make Zach Orr job comfortable or easier. There was still clear weaknesses or concerns with the defense regardless of the talent already on the team such as at inside linebacker(will linebacker to be exact) , the free safety position, and the defensive line , and edge rusher . I know EDC had Interest in signing CJ Mosley but of course that didn't work out cause he had to retire due to a career ending injury but for them to fail retaining Chris Board likely wasn't good and even losing Malik Harrison didn't make matters better. I respect that Malachi Starks proved to the coaching staff he was ready to start now rather than later but I already knew there was no way the ravens were going to trust two rookies safeties in coverages to allow Kyle Hamilton to do what he does best .

Ruben Lowery looked good in preseason and training camp but it was obvious the trust factor wasn't there . Hes likely better playing at nickel corner more than anything but at the same time it probably was fools gold to think he would be ready especially learning the safety position likely for the first time in his career as a rookie. Its nice the ravens traded for safety but they probably should have signed a veteran safety before the matter to help make Starks job easier because it like like passing scheme or coverages were conservative to likely protect Starks. When it comes to the defensive line I think the ravens definitely messed up by not drafting a defensive linemen that could stop the run with pass rush upside . I don't think a rookie could ever replace Nnamdi and thankfully CJ Okoye s improving but to have to depend on older veterans like Jenkins and Urban likely isn't ideal.
 
Florida Raven Fan said:
I'm curious to know why you think he'd be good longterm? He absolutely could end up being, but the very small sample size of last season and the start to this season he's absolutely doing terrible.
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I think it depends how he gets there. If he goes back to being a positional coach and works his way back up the ranks into another coordinator opportunity, I think that'll be good for him. Gives him the chance to hone his craft with a smaller group while also working under a coordinator and pulling from what they're offering vs. the experience he has. It's why 2nd time head coaches often do much better in their second go at it.
 
Baltimorican said:
Yeah it's not that they were bad, it's that you build & design a defense all offseason thinking this is your strength, only to have them be catastrophically bad on your 1st day as DC and onward.
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So how is this the case again this season? We had Kyle Hamilton and first round starks, the cbs are supposed to be good, why does the secondary look god awful?
 
Simba said:
I think it depends how he gets there. If he goes back to being a positional coach and works his way back up the ranks into another coordinator opportunity, I think that'll be good for him. Gives him the chance to hone his craft with a smaller group while also working under a coordinator and pulling from what they're offering vs. the experience he has. It's why 2nd time head coaches often do much better in their second go at it.
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I agree and share the same sentiment that he should've been given more time as a positional coach before being handed the keys to the D.
 
Florida Raven Fan said:
I agree and share the same sentiment that he should've been given more time as a positional coach before being handed the keys to the D.
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Definitely seems like they panicked a bit but sounds like he was getting a DC job either way. However, if he had gone to Seattle, it would have been one of those in title only because you know Mac is running things. I still think one of the biggest mistakes the Ravens made with him is alienating all of the other options (Wilson, Weaver, and Hewitt) and basically telling them all that they weren't getting a shot, which made them all seek other opportunities. Left basically no support system for a young DC, but they prioritized keeping him over the alternatives, so choices they made.

But hey, he's young. May have to go back to the grind for a few years, but teams are going to love the experience he's gotten and hope he's learned from it if/when the time comes around for him to be a DC again.
 
rossihunter2 said:
first sack was a cleanup sack
second sack was vs an awful backup tackle
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That is still 2 more sacks than he managed to produce all season here. Let's not forget that his last game here we played the worst o-line in the NFL and yet Oweh didn't produce anything. That combined with his play since joining the chargers tells me its not a player problem it is a coaching problem
 
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