The Random Thought Thread

[redrum52]

Random thought here..

I hear a lot about “explosive” offense, especially from our players and coaches, how they’re looking for an explosive offense etc.

Am I crazy for thinking that maybe we should aim for less explosiveness and more steadiness and consistency? Like we know Lamar can scramble and hit zay on a broken play where he cuts through the defense for 50 yards, but what I want to see more of is just being on schedule consistently and moving chains against different types of defensive schemes. I may be wrong but I feel like when a defense knows how to stop the run and then put a cap on the explosive plays, we shit the bed and can’t get the offense started with rhythm pass plays designed to counter those defensive styles.

It seems like if we can’t get Henry or Lamar breaking runs, or hit a big pass play, then we just shut down.

Idk maybe I’m tripping but I just don’t think more explosive plays is what we need, we need more consistency in the other areas.

Rant over.

ON the Henry and Lamar breaking runs end, I think we have a more consistent run game next year. Last year it felt like we had way too many negative runs, and don't expect to see that nearly as much.

 

[Tank]

Random thought here..

I hear a lot about “explosive” offense, especially from our players and coaches, how they’re looking for an explosive offense etc.

Am I crazy for thinking that maybe we should aim for less explosiveness and more steadiness and consistency? Like we know Lamar can scramble and hit zay on a broken play where he cuts through the defense for 50 yards, but what I want to see more of is just being on schedule consistently and moving chains against different types of defensive schemes. I may be wrong but I feel like when a defense knows how to stop the run and then put a cap on the explosive plays, we shit the bed and can’t get the offense started with rhythm pass plays designed to counter those defensive styles.

It seems like if we can’t get Henry or Lamar breaking runs, or hit a big pass play, then we just shut down.

Idk maybe I’m tripping but I just don’t think more explosive plays is what we need, we need more consistency in the other areas.

Rant over.

Spot on. Improvised plays aren’t something you can depend on, especially against the better teams.

 

[OURavensFan]

Random thought here..

I hear a lot about “explosive” offense, especially from our players and coaches, how they’re looking for an explosive offense etc.

Am I crazy for thinking that maybe we should aim for less explosiveness and more steadiness and consistency? Like we know Lamar can scramble and hit zay on a broken play where he cuts through the defense for 50 yards, but what I want to see more of is just being on schedule consistently and moving chains against different types of defensive schemes. I may be wrong but I feel like when a defense knows how to stop the run and then put a cap on the explosive plays, we shit the bed and can’t get the offense started with rhythm pass plays designed to counter those defensive styles.

It seems like if we can’t get Henry or Lamar breaking runs, or hit a big pass play, then we just shut down.

Idk maybe I’m tripping but I just don’t think more explosive plays is what we need, we need more consistency in the other areas.

Rant over.

Maybe more slants and illegal pick plays the bengals and Cheifs always do. But seriously Monken had no short passing game beyond awful WR screens it was frustrating. Hopefully we’re more on schedule anyway as a result of no Falalalaelel

 

[Tank]

Maybe more slants and illegal pick plays the bengals and Cheifs always do. But seriously Monken had no short passing game beyond awful WR screens it was frustrating. Hopefully we’re more on schedule anyway as a result of no Falalalaelel

It was weird. When Snoop was in the short, quick passes were called and worked like a charm. Don't know where that was with Lamar.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Maybe more slants and illegal pick plays the bengals and Cheifs always do. But seriously Monken had no short passing game beyond awful WR screens it was frustrating. Hopefully we’re more on schedule anyway as a result of no Falalalaelel

Exactly, something to give third and manageable if bombs away doesn’t work and the defense can make a tackle before Henry breaks it for 20

 

[redrum52]

It was weird. When Snoop was in the short, quick passes were called and worked like a charm. Don't know where that was with Lamar.

When was the last time Snoop completed a deep pass?

 

[gtalk12]

It was weird. When Snoop was in the short, quick passes were called and worked like a charm. Don't know where that was with Lamar.

I think this was a case of overthinking and relying to heavily on Lamar's talent that caused this.

It was inexcusable that in a year when the line was struggling that they refused to go to the quick passing game until Lamar went down.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

It was weird. When Snoop was in the short, quick passes were called and worked like a charm. Don't know where that was with Lamar.

The run game also magically seemed to just be more consistent.

I could never wrap my damn brain around this. If we could look so efficient with such a limited and qb friendly offense, what the hell was stopping us from finding some middle ground when our star qb was in? It really seemed like the ability was there for monken, but he just couldn’t help himself, he eliminated half the playbook whether the starter or backup was in. When Lamar was in he always wanted to attack and would never work to make Lamar’s job easier even when it was needed.

 

[redrum52]

I think this was a case of overthinking and relying to heavily on Lamar's talent that caused this.

It was inexcusable that in a year when the line was struggling that they refused to go to the quick passing game until Lamar went down.

The run game also magically seemed to just be more consistent.

I could never wrap my damn brain around this. If we could look so efficient with such a limited and qb friendly offense, what the hell was stopping us from finding some middle ground when our star qb was in? It really seemed like the ability was there for monken, but he just couldn’t help himself, he eliminated half the playbook whether the starter or backup was in. When Lamar was in he always wanted to attack and would never work to make Lamar’s job easier even when it was needed.

I dont think its just one thing tho. The run game 100% percent feels better but that could be the teams we're playing. The short passing can be a combo of Lamar holding the ball at times and Snoop not having the greatest arm. So Lamar might be going through the progressions while Huntley somewhat predetermines where hes going. Probably looking underneath much faster so maybe not all on playcalling.

I could also be wrong and Monken just trying to simplify things for the backup.

 

[RavensMania]

When was the last time Snoop completed a deep pass?

lol, never

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I dont think its just one thing tho. The run game 100% percent feels better but that could be the teams we're playing. The short passing can be a combo of Lamar holding the ball at times and Snoop not having the greatest arm. So Lamar might be going through the progressions while Huntley somewhat predetermines where hes going. Probably looking underneath much faster so maybe not all on playcalling.

I could also be wrong and Monken just trying to simplify things for the backup.

So where are these easy, predetermined reads for Lamar when he’s having an off day? Like he’s struggling to get in a rhythm, he’s hunting for big plays and they’re not working and he’s unraveling, pass rush is killing us, let’s take a bit off his plate and get him in a rhythm, force the defense to adjust, etc. sprinkle in these quick predetermined reads, hell even do it for 2 or 3 straight possessions.

The patriots were famous for doing this with Brady, he had plenty of bad days, and when he did they were well known to call these low pressure plays which would stress the defense by adding a different dimension and getting Brady and the offense in a rhythm, without him getting put under duress, and this was the spark that would ignite their offense for the rest of the game, so many times.

Like 1 read pick plays, this wr is near guaranteed to be able to get us 3-5 yards because 2 other players are dedicated to springing him open, add a dump off option as an outlet if it IS defended, then Lamar’s legs become the third read. It’s just not something you saw often and that’s even in flacco days, and we would get called for OPI on designed picks, almost as if we prioritize it so little that we didn’t even know how to run it in game.

 

[OURavensFan]

When was the last time Snoop completed a deep pass?

Probably that game in 2022 against the Bears

 

[redrum52]

So where are these easy, predetermined reads for Lamar when he’s having an off day? Like he’s struggling to get in a rhythm, he’s hunting for big plays and they’re not working and he’s unraveling, pass rush is killing us, let’s take a bit off his plate and get him in a rhythm, force the defense to adjust, etc. sprinkle in these quick predetermined reads, hell even do it for 2 or 3 straight possessions.

The patriots were famous for doing this with Brady, he had plenty of bad days, and when he did they were well known to call these low pressure plays which would stress the defense by adding a different dimension and getting Brady and the offense in a rhythm, without him getting put under duress, and this was the spark that would ignite their offense for the rest of the game, so many times.

Like 1 read pick plays, this wr is near guaranteed to be able to get us 3-5 yards because 2 other players are dedicated to springing him open, add a dump off option as an outlet if it IS defended, then Lamar’s legs become the third read. It’s just not something you saw often and that’s even in flacco days, and we would get called for OPI on designed picks, almost as if we prioritize it so little that we didn’t even know how to run it in game.

Harbs cant hurt you anymore lol

 

[redrum52]

Probably that game in 2022 against the Bears

The funny thing about this is as I was typing I already knew the answer it was last year against the bears he had one to Bate

 

[OURavensFan]

So where are these easy, predetermined reads for Lamar when he’s having an off day? Like he’s struggling to get in a rhythm, he’s hunting for big plays and they’re not working and he’s unraveling, pass rush is killing us, let’s take a bit off his plate and get him in a rhythm, force the defense to adjust, etc. sprinkle in these quick predetermined reads, hell even do it for 2 or 3 straight possessions.

The patriots were famous for doing this with Brady, he had plenty of bad days, and when he did they were well known to call these low pressure plays which would stress the defense by adding a different dimension and getting Brady and the offense in a rhythm, without him getting put under duress, and this was the spark that would ignite their offense for the rest of the game, so many times.

Like 1 read pick plays, this wr is near guaranteed to be able to get us 3-5 yards because 2 other players are dedicated to springing him open, add a dump off option as an outlet if it IS defended, then Lamar’s legs become the third read. It’s just not something you saw often and that’s even in flacco days, and we would get called for OPI on designed picks, almost as if we prioritize it so little that we didn’t even know how to run it in game.

I remember when we used to defend Flacco we’d always bring up Phil Simms (I think it was him at least, maybe also Jaws) mentioning how our system gives him no easy throws whatsoever versus what the, I know I know… bengals would do for Dalton, etc.

Some things never change in Baltimore, the degree of difficulty playing QB here is just harder since we never have offensive gurus and elite pass catchers