Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
The fact that we haven't made an immediate move at CB is a good sign imo. Maybe the Canady injury isn't as severe as expected? Knock on wood.
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Ignore the Kaep portion. That isn't important. What's important is how bad Flacco has been lately even with the great 2014 in there.
The Ravens need to fix his footwork if they are going to go far at all this season.
Ignore the Kaep portion. That isn't important. What's important is how bad Flacco has been lately even with the great 2014 in there.
The Ravens need to fix his footwork if they are going to go far at all this season.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
The bad news about this is obvious: He's hurt and we can't see if it was fixed up.
The good news is: he's held himself accountable. I know it's just minicamp and whatnot but he looked a hell of a lot better during it. I think that Flacco in the second half of the season was much better than he was during the first half(again, season all around was poor, but still it's encouraging to know that he improved).
I have little to no expectations at this point for the playoffs but honestly would not be surprised if we made it.
I would agree that Flacco hasn't been good since we lost kubiac, but let's look what happened since we lost kubiac. We hired Trestman who was awful and eight games in he was injured and last year it was apparent he was still recovering from that injury,
I would agree with lost that he improved in the second half of 2016.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
As bad as Trestman was, it wasn't him who fudged up Joe's mechanics which has ultimately been his biggest problem lately. That said, the second half of last season Flacco looked like he had improved(he started throwing off of his back foot less and less) but still had a few terrible plays to go with it(which is par for the course with Joe).
I actually agree with Sami. If we have a top ten pick and we are in a position to take a Rosen, Darnold, Allen, etc. We should take it. Flacco is getting old and it'd be good to have someone with franchise QB potential waiting in the wings.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
Eh, who cares? Flacco's won a SB, and even though you say it's a fluke he's played well in each of the last three postseasons he's played in. Sorry man. Who cares if you're elite? You just need a guy who's proven he's good enough to do it. Flacco has proven he can win one, which is better than most quarterbacks can say.
"He needs everything to be perfect". The only elite player on that offensive line was Yanda. Mckinnie was serviceable for a few games but not great, Oher was below average, Birk was average, and KO was not the player he is today during the playoff run. Rice fumbled a lot during the run and was shut down in the SB, Boldin was a very good WR, not great. Torrey was one dimensional, Jacoby was a body catcher, and Dennis Pitta was good, not great. Just give Flacco a solid oline and a good stable of weapons(because during the run the weapons complimented each other well), and we'll field a decent enough offense to get us to the postseason, where it is then anyone's game. Who cares if the FO and coaching staff think Joe's elite? He's good enough to win a goddamn super bowl. That makes you worth top dollar in the NFL. Economics 101. QBs good enough to win a super bowl are in very high demand. But there is a limited supply. Therefore, market value = very high. Now I agree, we should have signed Joe before the season, but the Flacco contract wasn't nearly as problematic as people like you make it out to be. That contract isn't the main reason why our cap is in a total clusterfuck right now. Other terrible deals are(Pitta, Monroe, Ngata and Rice have held us back in the past. Overpaying Brandon Williams is going to kill us for years, Jimmy Smith's contract isn't that good). There are a lot of QBs in the NFL with contracts close to Flacco's scale that are capable of building teams around him.
So who the fuck cares? It may be time to move on soon because of age, but it would not surprise me if Flacco had a good season this year.
Sami84
Ravens Ring of Honor
Yeahm
think about all the options we have in the D line. We could have used that brandon williams money to revamp the O line by re-siging wagner and getting a guy like zeitler
Stanley,Zeitler,Mangold,Yanda,Wagner
how much better does that look?
But no, thank the great brandon williams and his pathetic, overdone carlton dance. If i want to see a rendition of that dance, I can watch ''dancing in the dark ''video ( bruce springsteen) and a young, so hot Courtney cox does it, thank you very much.
think about all the options we have in the D line. We could have used that brandon williams money to revamp the O line by re-siging wagner and getting a guy like zeitler
Stanley,Zeitler,Mangold,Yanda,Wagner
how much better does that look?
But no, thank the great brandon williams and his pathetic, overdone carlton dance. If i want to see a rendition of that dance, I can watch ''dancing in the dark ''video ( bruce springsteen) and a young, so hot Courtney cox does it, thank you very much.
I would 100% disagree with the sentiment that he was better in the second half of the season, with the exception of the Steelers game. He was incredibly good in that game and it's a damn shame they lost that game.
Flacco was abysmal the entire season. He was just flat out bad and his footwork appeared to actually regress, in my opinion, as the season went on. I actually felt like his first half performances had stronger deep ball placements and when Marty came in, he upped his completions by throwing short and throwing over the middle on check downs far too often. His footwork was horrendous for the second half of the season. Even worse, all three of those interceptions were second half interceptions.
I think this is my biggest issue with Joe. When the postseason rolls around, he just looks different. Like, yeah, the play calling looks better, but is it really all that different or is Joe just more on point and more aggressive? I'm leaning toward the latter.
It's really frustrating, though, because playoff Joe is a top 5 regular season quarterback. Regular season Joe... well, he hinders postseason Joe from being unleashed.
But the big issue is that Zeitler and Wagner combined for like $110M, right? And probably over $60M in guarantees. Both of those numbers double what BWill got.
You're not getting both when the Ravens are still paying Yanda handsomely.
Sami84
Ravens Ring of Honor
I doubt it was double but possibly a 25% more..
Wagner is the highest paid RT in the league (at least $50M) and Zeitler is the league's highest paid guard behind Osemele (at least $50M). Try double.
Just checked and the two combined for around $110M, like I said. They combined for about $55M in guarantees, so less than what I thought, but still about 40% more than BWill on guarantees and double in potential total money.
Sami84
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well at least they are playing 100% of all the snaps.
while b will does 60% in position that we have a young stud in m.pierce.
While I would take Zeitler over BWill (I wouldn't take Wagner over BWill), BWill really makes the defense drive. You could see in the games where he wasn't playing himself later in the season that the defense as a whole began to falter. He's 100% a cornerstone of the defense.
balfan23
MVP
I think our move indicates that we're taking a wait and see approach and are not willing to commit to any significant signing at QB . The fact that we're still yakking about Kap is an indication that we may not be 100% sure and that this may linger for longer than we expect.
ok im sorry sami, you may have hated the move and you are welcome to that opinion but now with regards to b will's explosiveness you are either blind or just plain wrong - brandon williams is, for a man that big, more explosive than most if not all defensive tackles in the league - he may not be as good a pass rusher as others in the league but he is incredibly explosive, athletic and surprisingly agile and well-balanced for a man as strong and large as he is and yet despite the lack of pass rush you could easily say he's a top 10 defensive lineman in the league including 3-4 defensive ends like watt and clowney etc. which is a testament to his effectiveness and to be that dominant and that effective you just are explosive or you wouldnt be as good as williams is
it doesnt sound spectacular but brandon williams is a nose tackle with the body of a 1tech and the quickness and second-effort moves of a 3tech which is incredibly difficult to block in both the run and pass game no matter the scheme / front you put him in