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Joe Flacco

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And that is what I don't get about this offense. IF you know that based upon your personnel that your strength may lie within that no huddle and sugar huddle, mixed in with the run and play action; why not just work the hell out of it? I think that slowing Flacco down is actually "dumbing" him down! Marty needs to meet with Joe and allow him to script his own offense. Yeah I said it! :D

I saw a tv piece on Sean Peyton and how he "asked" Drew Brees which formations and plays that he liked to run against their upcoming opponent. Why not allow Flacco to do something similar? Guaranteed he'd probably have that no huddle and sugar huddle in there as his base plays.
I have also noticed over the years that an unhappy Flacco (when he is basically handing the ball off every down except 3rd and long) plays like shit. Marty is Cam all over again. Cam's issue was handcuffing Flacco and Marty is worse.
 
I have also noticed over the years that an unhappy Flacco (when he is basically handing the ball off every down except 3rd and long) plays like shit. Marty is Cam all over again. Cam's issue was handcuffing Flacco and Marty is worse.
There is no question Marty is handcuffing Flacco. No question at all.
 
I have also noticed over the years that an unhappy Flacco (when he is basically handing the ball off every down except 3rd and long) plays like shit. Marty is Cam all over again. Cam's issue was handcuffing Flacco and Marty is worse.

And it shows BIG TIME!
 
Humpf?

where are you getting on track for 1800 yards?
S.Smith played 7 games that year and midway through that season had 670 yards. which is good but not 1800.
now if you extrapolate total gained yardage after the third game 350 yards out to 16 games yeah that would have gotten him the 1800 but those are ozze and humpf numbers. theres nuthin real to em.

http://www.nfl.com/player/stevesmith/2504595/gamelogs?season=2015

once again, everyone is gonna have their own view when seeing the same thing. mine is that boldin was the guy. ozze's is that he was not. guess the difference there is that I didn't have to say "I failed on that one"!

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-steve-smith-sr-stat-watch-week-4-20150929-story.html

He was on pace, as I said it's unlikely that he would top that but the fact that he had over 670 yards in seven games is nothing short of sensational, especially considering that he missed the game against Cleveland and had to leave early against Pitt. You cannot just write that off.

I think personally it would have been great to have both of them, but if we have Boldin here do we get Steve Smith Sr.? I think everything happens for a reason. I would have rather had Steve Smith and flat out have a better team here overall on both sides of the field. I think Smith Sr. is a guy we miss badly here honestly. His loss is the biggest felt IMO.
 
When every OC you have is handcuffing you, maybe there's a reason for it. 10 games left, so who know's? If I knew my job was on the line, might as well let him free for a couple games. What's the worst that could happen at this point.
 
When every OC you have is handcuffing you, maybe there's a reason for it. 10 games left, so who know's? If I knew my job was on the line, might as well let him free for a couple games. What's the worst that could happen at this point.
Not every OC.
Cam Cameron and Marty.

I don't think Trestman nor Caldwell handcuffed Flacco. They just weren't good.

Kubiak didn't.
 
I have also noticed over the years that an unhappy Flacco (when he is basically handing the ball off every down except 3rd and long) plays like shit. Marty is Cam all over again. Cam's issue was handcuffing Flacco and Marty is worse.
I doubt it’s a matter of him being happy or “unhappy”. It seems more like a matter of unpredictable, imaginative play calling and a rhythm to the offense(success) or predictable, unimaginative play calling and a plodding offense with no rhythm (failure). Also, a big part of the issues against the Bears were failures(drops, picks, fumbles)at key junctures that killed any chance at gaining momentum and rhythm. As mentioned before, Flacco like most QBs is at his best when there is a rhythm to the flow of play.
 
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There were a handful of guys I’d never heard of.

ive gone through his list and here are my thoughts

harrison's a steelers fan and has severely overrated landry jones and he always has a soft spot for the cowboys and has severely overrated kellin moore

for me there is a bottom tier of backup qbs that consists of these players in no particular order: kellen moore, landry jones, ryan mallet, matt schaub, matt cassel - id add joe callahan (but that seems unfair given that he's only the backup because aaron rodgers isnt the starter))

id be fine ranking those 5/6 guys in any order but they are absolutely as bad as each other
 
Not every OC.
Cam Cameron and Marty.

I don't think Trestman nor Caldwell handcuffed Flacco. They just weren't good.

Kubiak didn't.

kubiak handcuffed everyone including castillo and harbaugh.
He had the reigns over the entire offense and pretty much drilled flacco into using proper footwork.
Dennison was the QB coach and pretty much instructed flacco everything on a game basis.
Kubiak pretty much followed his script into detail whether it was working or not.

pretty much the reason why the offense and flacco where successful.

no surprise it all went to hell after he left and flacco started throwing fadeaways again and the o-line turned to shit going back to what castillo wanted to do.

Flacco best seasons where in offense installed by Cameron and Kubiak.
2 coaches who pretty much demand full control of the offense.
Heck kubiak as a HC was still heavily involved in the play calling.
 
kubiak handcuffed everyone including castillo and harbaugh.
He had the reigns over the entire offense and pretty much drilled flacco into using proper footwork.
Dennison was the QB coach and pretty much instructed flacco everything on a game basis.
Kubiak pretty much followed his script into detail whether it was working or not.

pretty much the reason why the offense and flacco where successful.

no surprise it all went to hell after he left and flacco started throwing fadeaways again and the o-line turned to shit going back to what castillo wanted to do.

Flacco best seasons where in offense installed by Cameron and Kubiak.
2 coaches who pretty much demand full control of the offense.
Heck kubiak as a HC was still heavily involved in the play calling.
Yes he was involved in the playcalling That isn't even what I meant. We weren't doing 10 million handoffs in a row. We had good flow, good balance and good rhythm. Not to mention a decent O line, which is always helpful.

Cam is great for young developing QBs and I have always said so, even when calling for him to be fired. He just didn't know when to open it up more and let go.
 
Honestly, I have been seeing plenty of vertical routes from Perriman and Wallace each and receivers running out routes deeper then 15 yards plenty of times, I don't think we have tried to be a short passing team period, why after our game against Oakland where we had multiple plays of 20+ yards would we shut down our deep passing game? I think these receivers need to get open more deep and Joe needs to make the commitment to throwing deep regardless. Even if you don't get the conversion at least you keep the safeties deep and force them to respect the deep ball. I've been surprised at the lack of targets for Maclin deep, he can be a deep threat, he has a release, can beat DBs with various sets of moves and has the speed and explosiveness to get separation, I don't know why he's been used primarily as a possession receiver. I haven't seen him targeted deep.

Outside of that, I don't know what Marty is going to do outside of scheme guys open, I just think he needs his players to step up. I honestly have issues with him not scheming up protection but he did a fantastic job of that against Oakland. I think he needs to do his part, but his players and Joe need to execute.
 
Honestly, I have been seeing plenty of vertical routes from Perriman and Wallace each and receivers running out routes deeper then 15 yards plenty of times, I don't think we have tried to be a short passing team period, why after our game against Oakland where we had multiple plays of 20+ yards would we shut down our deep passing game? I think these receivers need to get open more deep and Joe needs to make the commitment to throwing deep regardless. Even if you don't get the conversion at least you keep the safeties deep and force them to respect the deep ball. I've been surprised at the lack of targets for Maclin deep, he can be a deep threat, he has a release, can beat DBs with various sets of moves and has the speed and explosiveness to get separation, I don't know why he's been used primarily as a possession receiver. I haven't seen him targeted deep.

Outside of that, I don't know what Marty is going to do outside of scheme guys open, I just think he needs his players to step up. I honestly have issues with him not scheming up protection but he did a fantastic job of that against Oakland. I think he needs to do his part, but his players and Joe need to execute.
I seem to remember certain posters raving over Maclin's ability to attack all levels of the field and demand constant attention at all times, but now he's a bum since Flacco isn't doing well.

But I'm glad you brought up the routes. There seems to be this false idea going around that if Joe doesn't throw deep, no one ran deep. Also, if Joe dumped it off, must have meant no one was open.

Neither are necessarily true.
 
Yes he was involved in the playcalling That isn't even what I meant. We weren't doing 10 million handoffs in a row. We had good flow, good balance and good rhythm. Not to mention a decent O line, which is always helpful.

Cam is great for young developing QBs and I have always said so, even when calling for him to be fired. He just didn't know when to open it up more and let go.
We were not doing 10 million handoffs but not running the ball is primarily why we lost games and literally why he got fired. We win an overwhelming amount of our games when Joe is not dropping back 40 or more times. The bigger problem against Chicago was not running the ball. We threw it 41 times for a grand total of 180 yards, that's pathetic. You're not winning this game passing it more, especially after two turnovers through the air and none from your RBs. We were averaging 125 yards on 25 carries on 4.8 YPC, we really did not run the ball enough when we should've taken the ball out of his hands, I question why in a 17-13 game, in FG range to make it a 1 point game when Chicago isn't doing anything offensively do you put the ball on the ground more. I question why we don't run the ball more when it's a one score game nearly the entire game.
 
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We were not doing 10 million handoffs but not running the ball is primarily why we lost games and literally why he got fired. We win an overwhelming amount of our games when Joe is not dropping back 40 or more times. The bigger problem against Chicago was not running the ball. We threw it 41 times for a grand total of 180 yards, that's pathetic. You're not winning this game passing it more, especially after two turnovers through the air and none from your RBs. We were averaging 125 yards on 25 carries on 4.8 YPC, we really did not run the ball enough when we should've taken the ball out of his hands, I question why in a 17-13 game, in FG range to make it a 1 point game when Chicago isn't doing anything offensively do you put the ball on the ground more.
Why who got fired? Kubiak? Because that is who we were referencing. He did not get fired.
 
I seem to remember certain posters raving over Maclin's ability to attack all levels of the field and demand constant attention at all times, but now he's a bum since Flacco isn't doing well.

But I'm glad you brought up the routes. There seems to be this false idea going around that if Joe doesn't throw deep, no one ran deep. Also, if Joe dumped it off, must have meant no one was open.

Neither are necessarily true.
Yeah, if you look at the plays most of the time Perriman is either running a slant, out-route, comeback or a basic streak towards the sideline, his route concepts are really basic and very predictable. You're not going to see anything exotic from him and I have an issue with that, could it be on the coaches? Sure, but it can also be the fact that he hasn't refined his game to the point where he can beat DBs naturally on those type of plays.

In terms of the deep passing game, yeah, I totally agree, one issue I see in particular is that Joe won't throw it deep unless his receiver has a cushion of separation, he won't often throw it deep if there is a yard or a tad bit more of separation between the receiver and DB. I have an issue with that, I understand that people will say that you want to prevent a wasted play or even worse, an INT, but think about the positives. 1.) You keep the defense honest, force them to back off, therefore opening up the run game. 2.) Your receiver makes a big play. 3.) Some DBs get trigger happy and may commit a PI, it happened tons of times with Torrey and unsurprisingly, he led the NFL in DPI's drawn 2 seasons in a row. In that category, he beat out Antonio Brown, AJ Green, T.Y Hilton, and Julio Jones who are in a league of their own. I think we all know how tough it is to stop those players. If you're scared of getting INT then try your best to overthrow, I know there's a concern but if you take that part of the field away from your game then you're going to find it very difficult to win in this league.

I think our receivers are running deep plenty of times, they're just not getting targets there and it's unfortunate. People think that's purely on the OC but why is the route concept calling for the receiver to run a certain route if it's not going to be utilized? I don't think we're calling receivers to run deep just for laughs, I think we want them to make plays there.

I still think Maclin and Wallace can play and are legit starting receivers, I don't understand how they're bums but hey, everyone has their own opinion. If you want me to be honest, I still want us to keep Maclin because I think he's a great player and another year here and he could literally be a great #2 for us. You'd just think that someone who can get open immediately, find the soft spots in coverages and be a deep threat would be a prototypical Joe Flacco receiver but apparently he's not.
 
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