Joe Flacco

[allblackraven]

Any other team and flacco would have been replaced by now. He is the liability in our team on both a play and cap level.

We can't do anything about his cap hit, you know that?

 

[TheCity5]

I honestly think this is overplayed. Flacco hasn't looked good since 2014. It wasn't a sudden downturn. It's been a gradual regression.

Possibly, but I think he looked better in the final weeks of last season then he did in 2015 before he tore the ACL. I think during the rehab process, he didn't focus as much into the mechanics and weaknesses in his game enough. They were already shady so them getting worse hurt his overall game, now we see his weaknesses truly expose themselves. I think the back injury further made that situation worse for him.

Honestly, I think the guy needs to play better and become a play-maker. The numbers are bad and even if things are falling apart around him, that doesn't mean he gets to be exempt from blame, not making that the case but we really shouldn't ignore what's around him.

 

[TheCity5]

We can't do anything about his cap hit, you know that?

It's better to move on and get savings of $4M then keep him on the roster with his replacement incoming.

 

[rossihunter2]

It's better to move on and get savings of $4M then keep him on the roster with his replacement incoming.

We don’t get $4m savings - if we cut flacco we lose even more cap space than keeping him and sitting him in the bench

 

[RavensMania]

We don’t get $4m savings - if we cut flacco we lose even more cap space than keeping him and sitting him in the bench

Yep, he has a 24.7 m cap hit and if released its 28.7 m. That can be spread out over the years but it’s 4m more to cut him

 

[allblackraven]

It's better to move on and get savings of $4M then keep him on the roster with his replacement incoming.

Your maths is wrong, no savings if released, dead money is $4 M more than cap hit

 

[TheCity5]

I thought the deep ball went right through his hands, not in them, but it's a moot point. I'm done with Wallace. He hasn't shown me much. As for the TEs, both Maxx and Boyle could be playmakers if they weren't so damn slow. There was one play in particular where they try to do a a crossing route with Maxx (I think?) and the play would've worked had he gained enough separation.

I mean seriously, Flacco threw for less than 150 yards against THIS Texans secondary. LESS THAN A HUNDRED-FIFTY YARDS. Reading this thread and the Texans recap thread, you would've believed we lost the game. That's how disgusted we all are about this "offense."

I think Mike Wallace is a good #2, but this team really thought Perriman would step up as the #1 WR and it has been a gut punch to this team. Words cannot explain how big of a disappointment he has been this season and how that has hurt Maclin and Wallace in the process.

Maxx and has been a let down but I still want to give Maxx another shot because TE's are developmental players and their break-outs are unpredictable. With that being said I myself am disappointed because I wanted this guy badly in the draft and was hyped when we picked him.

Joe has always been like Sam Bradford to me. You have to surround him with quality players, you can't sacrifice things and expect it to pay off. He'll do enough for you to win games while being a worthy starter. With that you can build a great defense. I just don't know if he's that type of guy anymore.

 

[TheCity5]

Your maths is wrong, no savings if released, dead money is $4 M more than cap hit

You're right, the cap savings come in the next year.

With that said, I still think you should move on even if it isn't there. Someone will take if off our hands via trade and it allows you to plug someone in.

 

[TheCity5]

So, AJ McCarron is expected to campaign for free agency this offseason, otherwise he'd be a RFA of the Bengals. What do we think the odds are that if he reaches FA, Ozzie will go after Bama Boy?

I would be totally disappointed if Ozzie did that, I would much prefer to use a 1st round pick on a QB then pay for McCarron. There's a lot of math and statistics out there that shows that back ups QBs from other teams do not preform well and much more often then not fail. It would be a total waste of money in a pivotal year.

 

[allblackraven]

You're right, the cap savings come in the next year.

With that said, I still think you should move on even if it isn't there. Someone will take if off our hands via trade and it allows you to plug someone in.

Doesn't work that way, I'm afraid. That guaranteed bit still counts against our salary cap.
Even if it does, who in their right mind would trade for Joe based on how he plays and for how much coin?

Edit: - it's actually prorated bit, guaranteed is done when 2017 season ends.

 

[TheCity5]

Doesn't work that way, I'm afraid. That guaranteed bit still counts against our salary cap.
Even if it does, who in their right mind would trade for Joe based on how he plays and for how much coin?

I'm very aware that the cap is still a big deal but I personally believe you take the assets if they're there.

He will absolutely have interest. If you're a team like the Jaguars you would definitely take him over Bortles. I know Joe has been awful this season but history shows that teams will pay up for a guy who isn't what he used to be. I mean the Rams tried to get Brett Farve out of retirement three years after he retired.

Even Carson Palmer got traded when he was in his mini-retirement phase. Bradford got traded after two ACL tears as well.

Regardless, I'm very confident there will be interest in him if he's available.

 

[Sami84]

No wonder Linta and Joe probably laugh every time they think about this FO.

the worst QB in the league has the highest cap hit.
Well done Flacco, Well done..as you said you would , you really did '' Stick it to them''.

 

[Sami84]

I'm very aware that the cap is still a big deal but I personally believe you take the assets if they're there.

He will absolutely have interest. If you're a team like the Jaguars you would definitely take him over Bortles. I know Joe has been awful this season but history shows that teams will pay up for a guy who isn't what he used to be. I mean the Rams tried to get Brett Farve out of retirement three years after he retired.

Regardless, I'm very confident there will be interest in him if he's available.

Nope. the league can see he's an utter liability and on a fast downward spiral. His accuracy is non-existent. His decison making as bad as ever and his footwork is a LOST CAUSE.

 

[Sami84]

and he's 33 years old. if he were 29-30 at least then MAYBE
at this point he's a backup QB.
no one is paying that for a backup QB

 

[RavensMania]

You're right, the cap savings come in the next year.

With that said, I still think you should move on even if it isn't there. Someone will take if off our hands via trade and it allows you to plug someone in.

You still have to pay the dead cap, even with a trade. The salary will be traded yes, bu the guaranteed money will not.

 

[TheCity5]

Nope. the league can see he's an utter liability and on a fast downward spiral. His accuracy is non-existent. His decison making as bad as ever and his footwork is a LOST CAUSE.

Okay, so Joe won't have any interest. But teams will trade for Carson Palmer who was retired. They'll do it for Sam Bradford who torn his ACL twice and has been an injury riddled QB. Brett Farve who was 44/43 and three years out of Football got a call from the Ravens. Why would Joe have no interest?

 

[TheCity5]

You still have to pay the dead cap, even with a trade. The salary will be traded yes, bu the guaranteed money will not.

I understand that, but at the same time you still have to move on regardless if you can get assets and have plans for a young QB. I understand the cap doesn't go away with trading him and some teams has to consider the money they're taking in.

 

[Sami84]

Okay, so Joe won't have any interest. But teams will trade for Carson Palmer who was retired. They'll do it for Sam Bradford who torn his ACL twice and has been an injury riddled QB. Brett Farve who was 44/43 and three years out of Football got a call from the Ravens. Why would Joe have no interest?

Because Flacco hasn't been solid (which is basically his celling aside from his FLUKE playoff run) in YEARS. Palmers below par years were better than what flacco has shown. Favre is a different kind of cat and bradford is young.

 

[RavensMania]

I understand that, but at the same time you still have to move on regardless if you can get assets and have plans for a young QB. I understand the cap doesn't go away with trading him and some teams has to consider the money they're taking in.

He’s here through the end of the 2018 season at the earliest.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

I would be totally disappointed if Ozzie did that, I would much prefer to use a 1st round pick on a QB then pay for McCarron. There's a lot of math and statistics out there that shows that back ups QBs from other teams do not preform well and much more often then not fail. It would be a total waste of money in a pivotal year.

Do you have a link to any of these studies?