Joe Flacco

[usmccharles]

Yeah I’ve seen you over there, I lurk now and again. Still in Cali?

Yea, still down here in San Diego, quit my DoD job so i might think about moving.

If that was Flacco's last game with the Ravens, then fine. It likely is time to move on. But let's not forget, this is the QB that has been a few dropped passes and a missed field goal from sending the Ravens to multiple Super Bowls. He's the guy that has out played Brady in Foxborough in the playoffs multiple times. I for one will miss the Ravens' first franchise QB.

Thank you. Its sad to see how some people talk about him ie f-him, he's gargbage, a bum, etc. Could he have played better? Damn right. But he has been the best QB the Ravens have seen in their short history, and who knows what could have happened if the FO actually supported him with talent instead of trying to make Torrey a number 1, trading his favorite target, waiting a year till you have to replace torrey then you draft for need and reach. etc. Glad Joe was here

 

[DeVito52]

I think everyone will or at least should. Him and Harbaugh if they are both gone will be a sad farewell because they both brought us a championship and many winning years. With that said, you’re hired to be fired in this league and Harbaugh has been around a while. He, Tomlin and Lewis have all been around a while and all three teams have been competitive. I’m not yet saying bye to John because I’m not sure that’s yet decided but maybe; however, Joe’s time seems to be borrowed at this point.

I guarantee everyone won’t miss him. The list starts with @Deebo813 haha

 

[usmccharles]

I guarantee everyone won’t miss him. The list starts with @Deebo813 haha

Grass isnt always greener

 

[Tank]

Grass isnt always greener

That’s the big thing here that many just fail to realize. While a QB, can show tons of talent or promise in college you really don’t know how they will turn out until they’ve met all the challenges that face them in the NFL. There’s been many who look like superstars that ultimately fail. Also many that put up great numbers and help to produce bunches of regular season wins only to wind up folding under the intense pressure of the tournament. Fact is that for every successful franchise QB there’s a whole bunch of failures that showed a ton of promise.

 

[usmccharles]

That’s the big thing here that many just fail to realize. While a QB, can show tons of talent or promise in college you really don’t know how they will turn out until they’ve met all the challenges that face them in the NFL. There’s been many who look like superstars that ultimately fail. Also many that put up great numbers and help to produce bunches of regular season wins only to wind up folding under the intense pressure of the tournament. Fact is that for every successful franchise QB there’s a whole bunch of failures that showed a ton of promise.

Athletes that play football can make it in college and put up crazy numbers, that doesnt work in the NFL. You could tell a lot of times when LJ has ran that he didnt expect to be chased down as quick as he was. I am really excited to see what he can do, but it really is a 50/50 on whether he turns into a franchise QB or not. Oh.....can he please slide....just one freaking time. Well, preferably a lot more but the fact he hasnt yet at all is worrisome.

 

[ravenslord]

Well if Lamar starts , teams will stack the line and force him to throw to see what he has.

That will be interesting to watch.

 

[usmccharles]

Well if Lamar starts , teams will stack the line and force him to throw to see what he has.

That will be interesting to watch.

And he can sling thats for sure, just mind blowing the coaching staff hasnt gave him more passing plays

 

[Adreme]

And he can sling thats for sure, just mind blowing the coaching staff hasnt gave him more passing plays

Because his throws are awful. His mechanics are still a mess and that is painfully obvious on throws that aren't a 10 yard strait line throw with no defenders between him and receiver.

Honestly I still think he needs another year to hammer home proper throwing mechanics before he is ready.

 

[usmccharles]

Because his throws are awful. His mechanics are still a mess and that is painfully obvious on throws that aren't a 10 yard strait line throw with no defenders between him and receiver.

Honestly I still think he needs another year to hammer home proper throwing mechanics before he is ready.

Ideally, i agree. I always thought it would be a two year project with him and 2020 he would be our guy.

 

[TheCity5]

That’s the big thing here that many just fail to realize. While a QB, can show tons of talent or promise in college you really don’t know how they will turn out until they’ve met all the challenges that face them in the NFL. There’s been many who look like superstars that ultimately fail. Also many that put up great numbers and help to produce bunches of regular season wins only to wind up folding under the intense pressure of the tournament. Fact is that for every successful franchise QB there’s a whole bunch of failures that showed a ton of promise.

It’s taken some teams about 20 years to find a QB and some 10 just to find a quality starter at that. Not defending Joe’s poor play but people really underestimate time and time again just how hard it is to find someone adequate there. Until 2014 you couldn’t find a QB like Joe and I’d you did you would be damn lucky to. Sad to see how much his play has deteriorated.

 

[TheCity5]

Well if Lamar starts , teams will stack the line and force him to throw to see what he has.

That will be interesting to watch.

Worst case scenario is him throwing 40+ attempts. Obviously we don’t want to see that but I’m excited to see what he has to show for a full game.

 

[Grim]

It’s taken some teams about 20 years to find a QB and some 10 just to find a quality starter at that. Not defending Joe’s poor play but people really underestimate time and time again just how hard it is to find someone adequate there. Until 2014 you couldn’t find a QB like Joe and I’d you did you would be damn lucky to. Sad to see how much his play has deteriorated.

I’m thinking it’s injuries for Flacco. His bout of injuries came after Kubiak left and guys can come back better from injuries because they have to relearn their mechanics but maybe Joe’s mechanics just got worse. It would explain why he’s gotten worse since then. I really felt like 2014 signaled a Renaissance for Joe but it only seems to have signaled the beginning of the end.

 

[Deebo813]

It’s taken some teams about 20 years to find a QB and some 10 just to find a quality starter at that. Not defending Joe’s poor play but people really underestimate time and time again just how hard it is to find someone adequate there. Until 2014 you couldn’t find a QB like Joe and I’d you did you would be damn lucky to. Sad to see how much his play has deteriorated.

His play has been the same tbh. He hasnt really lost it, its just been showing more because we dont have the defense to cover it up. He has always been inconsistent and inaccurate. Honestly, nothing has chance. The really bad part is that its noticeable because we havent seen any type of progress from him.

 

[balfan23]

Well if Lamar starts , teams will stack the line and force him to throw to see what he has.

That will be interesting to watch.

Teams already do that when he comes into the game and gets under center - and our run game is still dramatically better when Lamar is in there despite that stacking of the box.

I'm very eager to see what he can do when given the keys to the offense. Hopefully we get to see that real soon - like this coming weekend ... but of course, only if the team really believes he's ready to take that on.

 

[balfan23]

That’s the big thing here that many just fail to realize. While a QB, can show tons of talent or promise in college you really don’t know how they will turn out until they’ve met all the challenges that face them in the NFL. There’s been many who look like superstars that ultimately fail. Also many that put up great numbers and help to produce bunches of regular season wins only to wind up folding under the intense pressure of the tournament. Fact is that for every successful franchise QB there’s a whole bunch of failures that showed a ton of promise.

No doubt. There are no guarantees on the result of moving on from Flacco and going with Jackson. Even if we go with him, we're fools if we expect a sudden transformation of the team without any hiccoughs. We better be willing to be patient as fans and more importantly as an organization.

However, to be afraid to move on from mediocrity for fear that we'll go from mediocre to bad is not the proper approach to take as an organization.

 

[allblackraven]

No doubt. There are no guarantees on the result of moving on from Flacco and going with Jackson. Even if we go with him, we're fools if we expect a sudden transformation of the team without any hiccoughs. We better be willing to be patient as fans and more importantly as an organization.

However, to be afraid to move on from mediocrity for fear that we'll go from mediocre to bad is not the proper approach to take as an organization.

Exactly - Lamar needs a proper opportunity and enough time. Let him make mistakes and learn from them.

 

[rossihunter2]

Exactly - Lamar needs a proper opportunity and enough time. Let him make mistakes and learn from them.

which is why if we can get him starts this year that would be great - would basically give him free starts with low expectations and judgement - no matter what happens next offseason the expectation will be high so getting him live reps against starting defences as an official starting qb would be awesome for his progress and would basically be like stealing extra bases for his development

 

[balfan23]

which is why if we can get him starts this year that would be great - would basically give him free starts with low expectations and judgement - no matter what happens next offseason the expectation will be high so getting him live reps against starting defences as an official starting qb would be awesome for his progress and would basically be like stealing extra bases for his development

Agreed. But honestly, if we start him this Sunday, it should be with low expectations and judgement. I don't think we need to wait until the season is a complete bust before putting him in. Unless he's just woefully unprepared to start (which it doesn't feel to me like he is), I think we need to start the process now.

Yes, we still have a shot at the playoffs, but playing Jackson now shouldn't mean he has the pressure of expectations. I have virtually no expectation that we'll make it in our current state, no matter if we stick with Flacco or go with Jackson. So we might as well get him started now. If we somehow do get in and we do it with Jackson, that would be phenomenal.

 

[rossihunter2]

Agreed. But honestly, if we start him this Sunday, it should be with low expectations and judgement. I don't think we need to wait until the season is a complete bust before putting him in. Unless he's just woefully unprepared to start (which it doesn't feel to me like he is), I think we need to start the process now.

Yes, we still have a shot at the playoffs, but playing Jackson now shouldn't mean he has the pressure of expectations. I have virtually no expectation that we'll make it in our current state, no matter if we stick with Flacco or go with Jackson. So we might as well get him started now. If we somehow do get in and we do it with Jackson, that would be phenomenal.

i agree 100% - that's my point - it makes so much sense to give him these games if flacco is not right in any way - the expectations and judgements will be naturally positively inclined because of where the team is

 

[Adreme]

which is why if we can get him starts this year that would be great - would basically give him free starts with low expectations and judgement - no matter what happens next offseason the expectation will be high so getting him live reps against starting defences as an official starting qb would be awesome for his progress and would basically be like stealing extra bases for his development

I actually think the opposite because of what his problems are. You are trying to change how he has played football for years so you want as much time to make them natural away from actual QB play as you can.

I can promise, even if his form looks great in practice, that once hits start coming the form will go back to his default which is why I wish for more time to make proper form his true default.

Again this is not me knocking him, mechanic changes are hard, and when I see himbI really see a Rodhers level ceiling BUT its really hard to change what you have been doing your entire life.