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Joe Flacco

After watching the game tape posted here I have come to the conclusion ,as I'm sure others have to, that Joe
is often late in his reads. The receivers are open but Joe is a second late and when he throws the defenders have closed the gap
and the ball falls incomplete.
 
After watching the game tape posted here I have come to the conclusion ,as I'm sure others have to, that Joe
is often late in his reads. The receivers are open but Joe is a second late and when he throws the defenders have closed the gap
and the ball falls incomplete.
That's been the case with Joe for quite some time now. I think it even got worse in the sense that now half the time he doesn't even bother going through progressions. Is it a mental thing caused by knee and back injuries, I don't know but it could be.
 
Oof. Joe Flacco is the second least pressured quarterback in the NFL. That's a gut punch.

Been this way throughout the season yet many times the OL has caught hell. Didnt even want to bother mentioning it because the blame was just going to be shifted another direction.

Run blocking not so much.
 
Been this way throughout the season yet many times the OL has caught hell. Didnt even want to bother mentioning it because the blame was just going to be shifted another direction.

Run blocking not so much.

to be fair to joe there were times in the panthers and steelers games where he was getting pummelled - you have to take the body of work as a whole (and im not defending joe from being bad) but im just saying that the OL is not blameless
 
Been this way throughout the season yet many times the OL has caught hell. Didnt even want to bother mentioning it because the blame was just going to be shifted another direction.

Run blocking not so much.
The OL held up well outside of the panthers and Steelers game, he got destroyed in both of those games. But I’m not surprised he’s faced little pressure, the OL was pass protecting really well most of the year.
 
to be fair to joe there were times in the panthers and steelers games where he was getting pummelled - you have to take the body of work as a whole (and im not defending joe from being bad) but im just saying that the OL is not blameless

Agree, but it seems even when the time is there nothing is made of it.

Here's a real question. How long do we give DeCosta? Most seem ready for a clean slate, but he's been a part of this mess as well. Ozzie is "retiring" but if we keep on the same path, how me leeway do you think he gets? It's not like he wasn't involved in the process yet he seems to exit this unscathed.
 
Another random question... Do you all think we even hear about this injury if Lamar isn't drafted and Harbaugh isn't on the hot seat?
 
Agree, but it seems even when the time is there nothing is made of it.

Here's a real question. How long do we give DeCosta? Most seem ready for a clean slate, but he's been a part of this mess as well. Ozzie is "retiring" but if we keep on the same path, how me leeway do you think he gets? It's not like he wasn't involved in the process yet he seems to exit this unscathed.
i would have been happy with ozzie remaining - i have zero problems with this front office apart from 2 things:

1) its inability to draft wide receivers
2) its recent inability to seemingly adequately replace senior scouts

we have a well-run, harmonious front office that repeatedly finds players late in the draft that other teams never consider despite the fact that most teams find the small-school talent nowadays - and yet the ravens still go deeper than everyone else to find talent

the recent inability to hit 2nd round picks is crazy but is mostly just unfortunate - while they may not necessarily have been the players we wanted its not like they were considered day 3 picks who we drafted early - they just havent worked out and that's the luck of it - law of averages suggests that we'll hit on a 2nd rounder soon - its frustrating and im sure the front office will adjust their thinking with regards to 2nd round picks given the success in the mid-rounds with falling talent (and that may be where the problem has been - we've picked for need often in the 2nd round in recent years - 2015 we went TE, 2016 we went edge, 2017 we went edge again, 2018 we got rid of our pick) - but the 2nd round we've often had targets and positions seemingly in mind to go and get and it's meant we've missed on some talents that we would have been better off going after - we dont have the luxury of picking positions in mid-late rounds because the talent levels on our board or more disparate - so you clearly take the BPA at each pick and that means that good talent falls into your laps

look at this most recent draft - Orlando Brown and Mark Andrews fall to the mid-3rd (I had 2nd round grades on both) so we pick them up, Averett falls to the 4th (i had a low 2nd/high 3rd grade on him), Jordan Lasley was a high-potential pick in the 5th round (with talent that clearly exceeded his draft spot albeit with some issues), Deshon Elliott was quite clearly the highest player on the Ravens board where he was picked, likewise Kenny Young - they had talent that the Ravens liked so they didnt worry about anything and just picked them, Zach Sieler...

it's the same in the 2017 draft - Chris Wormley, Tim Williams, Chuck Clark... the ravens didnt worry about issues/going after their guy (albeit the harbs connection and the bama connection suggest that maybe those first 2 might have been their guys) and they just took the players highest on their board and didnt worry about positional value etc.

2016 - Kaufusi was a clear miss and may be what changed the strategy in the 3rd round the next 2 drafts, Tavon Young fell so we took him despite our corner depth problem being an outside corner problem more than a slot issue, in fact that whole 4th round we had the picks to let the talent fall to us and just take whomever: Tavon Young (starting nickel), Chris Moore (KR, special teams leader, WR4), Alex Lewis (starting LG), Willie Henry (starting 3tech when healthy), Kenneth Dixon (possibly the only real miss --> the ravens still havent been given clearance by the league yet for his return which is odd), Matt Judon has faded this year but was awesome as a sophomore, Maurice Canady has become a versatile chess piece on the backend (starting slot, depth outside corner, good special teamer, dime safety/corner hybrid)

2015 draft was an absolute shitshow for almost every team involved in hindsight - terrible class

there's a clear shift in draft strategy i think though between 1st/2nd round picks and the rest of the draft for the ravens... obviously there's a lot of pressure on the higher picks but the ravens seem to be more conscious of getting a player of need in recent years - taking a player of value at a position of need but maybe eschewing a falling player of better talent in some cases

the ravens have always preached BPA but looking at 1st/2nd round picks recently i struggle to see that necessarily being true - or at least the value of need seems to have proportionally a bit too much value in relation to where a player ends up on the board

of course i could be wrong but it feels to me like a switch flips after the 2nd round ends and the mode and strategy of the draft changes

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i realise i took quite a tangent there...
 
I think Joe Flacco looks better than he did last year. I still think he's going to have a pretty good season unless this hip injuries holds out longer than expected but Flacco has always been at his best when the run game is at it's best. People bring up about how he looked in 2014 but lets keep in mind that in 2014 The Ravens run game was ranked third overall. Flacco is not meant to be throwing the ball awhole alot and he is just on top of his game more when The Ravens offense rushing attack is efficient
 
After watching the game tape posted here I have come to the conclusion ,as I'm sure others have to, that Joe
is often late in his reads. The receivers are open but Joe is a second late and when he throws the defenders have closed the gap
and the ball falls incomplete.
Thats what happens when you dont know how to read defenses
 
I think Joe Flacco looks better than he did last year. I still think he's going to have a pretty good season unless this hip injuries holds out longer than expected but Flacco has always been at his best when the run game is at it's best. People bring up about how he looked in 2014 but lets keep in mind that in 2014 The Ravens run game was ranked third overall. Flacco is not meant to be throwing the ball awhole alot and he is just on top of his game more when The Ravens offense rushing attack is efficient

The problem is that a "pretty good" season isn't going to get us in the playoffs when we're sitting at 4-5 currently and need to win just about all of our remaining games. Sure, he looks better than last year (not that hard though TBH), but he's still missing a lot of throws and making questionable decisions.

I've been a Flacco supporter in the past, but I'm ready to get this Lamar Jackson train rolling. It's time...
 
The problem is that a "pretty good" season isn't going to get us in the playoffs when we're sitting at 4-5 currently and need to win just about all of our remaining games. Sure, he looks better than last year (not that hard though TBH), but he's still missing a lot of throws and making questionable decisions.

I've been a Flacco supporter in the past, but I'm ready to get this Lamar Jackson train rolling. It's time...

I don't really know what the outcome really going to be for The Ravens this season. They may end up in the playoffs or they may not. I understand Flacco issues with missing throws and making questionable decisions but I can only imagine how much that would be minimized if The Ravens run game was actually more efficient. I really don't think Lamar Jackson is ready and honestly he's going probably miss throws and make question decisions as well but the only excuse for that would be is that he's a rookie.

I rather see Robert Griffin start than Lamar Jackson because honestly he's the better thrower than Lamar Jackson and he has been successful as quarterback before in this league. I think starting Lamar Jackson against The Bengal defense is a bad idea.
 
I don't really know what the outcome really going to be for The Ravens this season. They may end up in the playoffs or they may not. I understand Flacco issues with missing throws and making questionable decisions but I can only imagine how much that would be minimized if The Ravens run game was actually more efficient. I really don't think Lamar Jackson is ready and honestly he's going probably miss throws and make question decisions as well but the only excuse for that would be is that he's a rookie.

I rather see Robert Griffin start than Lamar Jackson because honestly he's the better thrower than Lamar Jackson and he has been successful as quarterback before in this league. I think starting Lamar Jackson against The Bengal defense is a bad idea.

Here's the thing though: if Lamar is missing throws and making questionable decisions then he's still a better option than Flacco because Lamar's presence alone will make our run game better (the stats already back this up when he's been on the field).

As for RG3, starting him wouldn't really accomplish anything because he's not the future of this team like Lamar is. RG3 is nothing more than an insurance policy at this point in case Flacco or Lamar go down with a major injury. Starting RG3 would be taking away valuable game experience from Lamar and if the season is lost (which it's certainly on the fringe) then we might as well get Lamar all the reps we can so that he can build towards next season.
 
After seeing this same story play out over and over, I have no faith that joe gets us to the playoffs, absolutely zero faith. And after seeing what joe looks like playing injured behind a shit OL, I have even less faith.

It’s an injured Flacco, our OL, Marty, and no run game, yet you feel Flacco gives us enough chance to win to continue delaying Lamar’s development?

I give no fucks about our final record because I am 90% sure we miss the playoffs, and that 90% jumps up to 99% if an injured Flacco starts the remainder of the year
Dude the Bengals just got destroyed by the Saints 51-14 and it looks like things can be going downhill for them. As far as Joe goes, it depends because we’re going up against a defense that’s 32nd in the league and has 3 games straight giving up 500 yards at HOME. Their fan base is just as devastated as ours at the moment yet we are going to sit here and want the team to throw the whole season away? We also own the tiebreaker over the Titans btw. I think Lamar starts but if Joe can play then I think he gives us the best chance to win.

I don’t understand it, you say you don’t have faith and we should just start Lamar going forward and yet if this team loses and miss the postseason you’d still be upset.

At this point, all that matters to me is making the postseason. It’s a fresh new start from there on.
 
to be fair to joe there were times in the panthers and steelers games where he was getting pummelled - you have to take the body of work as a whole (and im not defending joe from being bad) but im just saying that the OL is not blameless
In some games where the OL played well, Joe played well. Against Cleveland and Tennessee he didn’t play all that great but he did enough against the Titans to get the win, and that’s a really good defense as we’ve seen lately.

The Bengals game he played poorly and I felt like he invited pressure and didn’t do a great job making quick reads but that doesn’t absolve Skura and Lewis who were piss poor.

I feel like the narrative is being twisted here a bit.
 
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I think Joe Flacco looks better than he did last year. I still think he's going to have a pretty good season unless this hip injuries holds out longer than expected but Flacco has always been at his best when the run game is at it's best. People bring up about how he looked in 2014 but lets keep in mind that in 2014 The Ravens run game was ranked third overall. Flacco is not meant to be throwing the ball awhole alot and he is just on top of his game more when The Ravens offense rushing attack is efficient
He’s always been better with a run game. He leads the league in attempts and it’s just not where he should be, especially when your WRs are average, your scheme is flawed, and your staff is getting worked by opposing coordinators. The run game has been a massive disappointment and it’s not surprising given the lack of maulers and physical presence outside of Yanda. It’s upsetting but at the end of the day you chose to go this route if you’re Ozzy or DeCosta.

That doesn’t completely exempt him of blame. He’s let me down and time is ticking for him.
 
The playoffs?!! The playoffs?!! What??! Long time Raven fan here and I've fallen back the past 2-3 years due to our horrible coach. Yes our horrible coach. Mr. No Fun himself. Mr.Never challenges correctly lol. Mr. Let Joe throw it 50x. Mr. Let's go for it on 4th down in a tight game and leave the best kicker on the bench and lose by 1-2 points. Mr. Kap is one of the best QB in the league and he is not being blacked balled, then signs a guy that hasn't thrown a ball in 3 years(Lewis). Mr. Yells and spits in Ellerbe face cause he made a great play and strutted into the endzone. Mr. One fumble and your benched for the game. Mr. Joe has thrown 4 picks let's go for a 5th vs the worst run defense in the league.

Ok ok I'm done. I so rather tank this year and start brand new. New coach (finally) new GM( finally) love u Oz but the writings been on the wall for years. New QB( not totally sold but anything is better than watching a guy that doesnt even like playing football). Let's stop letting the draft come to us and stop settling for the 5th-8th best projected WR and make a splash trade up, go hard, go and get your guy! (N'Keal Harry) idc what it cost but to lose out again and be searching for weapons for the next 5 years I'll just stop watching. Also please stop drafting these 25 year olds. I mean geez. I said during the draft that Andrews was the better player and I hate to be right here cause Hurst is family now but by the time he gets it together (if he even does) and we need to resign him he'll be what 29-30 smh. It looks like their forcing the playing time for Hurst. Just leave Andrew's out there let him develop into the star he is. Dude is 21 years old and is a man amongst boys out there. Collins was never a starter let's keep it real. As of right now Montgomery is our best RB please use him. It's time to cut bait, we should have traded a few players at the deadline. I'm looking at u Jimmy and Weddle. Jefferson needs to be utilized better imo. The defense department isnt developing players AT ALL. Like wtf? Harbaugh has been coaching scared for years...cmon man look at his hires. Ok sorry for the rant yall I just really love this team and have grown completely exhausted of the same thing year in and year out. Our SB was never due to Harbaugh it was the nucleus. He never made an adjustment or play call during that run that made or breaked the game open. It was the core. I never liked Flacco but I wasnt one of those people complaining about that contract cause 100 mil was common. He gave us a SB and deserved it. It's time to evolve.
 
Dude the Bengals just got destroyed by the Saints 51-14 and it looks like things can be going downhill for them. As far as Joe goes, it depends because we’re going up against a defense that’s 32nd in the league and has 3 games straight giving up 500 yards at HOME. Their fan base is just as devastated as ours at the moment yet we are going to sit here and want the team to throw the whole season away? We also own the tiebreaker over the Titans btw. I think Lamar starts but if Joe can play then I think he gives us the best chance to win.

I don’t understand it, you say you don’t have faith and we should just start Lamar going forward and yet if this team loses and miss the postseason you’d still be upset.

At this point, all that matters to me is making the postseason. It’s a fresh new start from there on.
I don’t see joe as giving us the best chance to win with the way he’s played, and if he does give us the “best” chance to win, I highly doubt it is enough to make the playoffs.

And yes I would be upset if we missed the postseason with joe, if we started lamar and missed I wouldn’t be nearly as upset. I’d be upset if lamar gave us nothing to look forward to and looked terrible, but not upset about missing. Once lamar starts it’s all abou the future and I don’t see the present team as a team that will make the playoffs.

With the way the colts have been playing I’m beginning to think the 6 seed might come from the south, with the colts, Texans, and titans you just don’t know who’s gonna win the division and who’s gonna be in the running for the 6, but it’s gonna be a logjam, and I think the titans are likely gonna be one game shorter than everyone else and the tiebreaker won’t even apply.
 
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