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Joe Flacco
- Thread starter ThatsMyJoeTerback
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If that's unconceivable then let's package Flacco with another player and or pick. I mean theres been unimaginable trades done in recent years. Dont act like teams dont do these type of things. We need to roll the dice and stop being scared like we have been.
Ramsey is about to holdout big time and it's already looking ugly. Its about $$$ and we about to come across quite a bit. Let's use it.
Ramsey is about to holdout big time and it's already looking ugly. Its about $$$ and we about to come across quite a bit. Let's use it.
balfan23
MVP
I think that is a reasonable hope. I disagree with the analysts that say teams will wait for his release. Many of them state that his cap hit (18.5M) is too high, but have they not seen what the QB position commands? Some are comparing him with a Sam Bradford type player - what? Some say he's not really an upgrade over a guy like Bortles - again, what? These are the same idiots that have bashed him his whole career. Something tells me that NFL front offices don't view him that way.
But some on these boards are valuing him at the level that is based on what he has brought to our organization, which has nothing to do with his value to prospective teams. I don't think he brings the level of what Smith brought last year in the trade the the Skins (2nd rounder). That's why I say a 3rd rounder is the most I am allowing myself to hope for.
It’s still better to trade for him because you don’t have any guaranteed money in his contract. Once he is traded, that goes out the door and a new contract will need to be worked out.
Skins traded a 3rd and Kendall Fuller
balfan23
MVP
Not sure why I had a 2nd rounder in mind, but thanks for the correction. Nonetheless, Smith brought more than just a 3rd rounder, which is what I think Flacco's ceiling is in trade.
With Cam Newton possibly needing to take a year off, I could see Flacco being traded there as a stop gap solution or are they willing to give RG3 an opportunity?
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Ellicottraven
Ravens Ring of Honor
Screw those analysts! Believe me - the fat one on the couch who is the ultimate pontificator!
redrum52
Hall of Famer
Highly doubt that and no reason to have 2 qbs with major cap hits. Also creates a problem for when Cam is back. No reason they would trade for Flacco unless Cam's career is finished.
balfan23
MVP
Agreed. I think the teams that make sense are the ones who do not have their future QB on roster yet and feel like they can be competitive now if they have a reasonably effective QB. Flacco gives them the option of passing on a QB in 2019 and waiting for 2020 when the class is stronger. Then he starts in 2020 and mentors and passes the baton in 2021.
A team like CAR will only get 1 year out of him IF Newton is shut down for this season.
airconteka
MVP
If teams are going after a QB in 2020 you’d have to think they are planning to have a bad 2019 unless they think they can actually win the Super Bowl.
as much as fans sometimes put forth the idea of tanking - only a couple of times have teams ever actually tanked... mostly because its incredibly rare to get players and coaches to suck on purpose because that's kinda the opposite of how they keep their job...
there's also no guarantee that the top prospects come out in 2020 because they could stick around for an extra year if they dont have the season they wanted/want to finish their degree/have unfinished business/have an in-season injury...
so many factors that make tanking unfeasible in almost every situation
airconteka
MVP
Yeah it’s less about playing to lose, more the lack of investing in a stop gap solution and trading away the future for a short term gain. I don’t think players or coaches tank, it’s more front offices often have a longer term strategy and their roster decisions are made accordingly.
front offices also dont have that much job security to be able to afford to do that - partly because it often requires at the quickest a full 3 year rebuild once you've tanked - and that only works if you've got your qb and nail a load of draft picks
in order for the FO to tank on behalf of the players and coaches they have to strip the team of talent and older guys which naturally leaves a talent gap and lack of experience/leadership within the playing staff - that's tough to rebuild in the short term and have success in that time period - and the shelf life of those front offices with really poor track records is not long
airconteka
MVP
If you are looking at the teams suggested like Denver or the Jags, would you say give up a second round pick for Flacco if you are targeting a QB in 2020, Flacco might be good for a couple of wins. I wouldn’t call it tanking it’s more about strategic roster decisions based on your current roster and your realistic outlook for the season. At best I think a team will give up maybe a fourth rounder, hoping to be wrong it would be great to get our 2nd back.
i think both those teams believe they have good enough rosters right now that a qb changes their outlook from being also-rans to contenders - im not sure they're correct but that's what i think they think
there's certainly no way either of those teams tank though - especially the jags because that whole staff would be out with a tank season
a better example might be miami who i think really need to blow up that whole organisation and start again - but given that its the dolphins im really not sure they will