Joe Flacco

[TheCity5]

I just don't onow if Flacco will get better without accountability. All the coach speak and Flacco himself always put it as a team issue, not a Flacco issue.

Even all these articles are absolving him entirely of blame for the interception off of Moore. I already broke down why that's wrong.

But if we just make excuse after excuse, there is never a reason to get better.

I agree, I think the pick was mostly on Joe. Looking at the play, I think Moore ran a good route, and I'll explain to others why. He ran deep enough to where he had the DB backed up, got Fuller off the receivers route route, and ran sharp to the side-line. An accurate pass and there's no way you throw a pick. I think Fuller made a fantastic job recovering and the pick was honestly fluky, but the thing about a comeback route is that if executing, your chances of getting INT is low, because either your WR catches the pass, or the ball hits the sidelines, but once the pass is late, you give the DB an opportunity to make a play at the ball. I think Moore ran a good route, it was a great play by Fuller, and a bad decision by Joe.

Not only that but here's what frustrated me badly about that INT. You're on the Bears 32, and you're down 17-13. On the other side you know damn well that Trubisky isn't driving the length of the field on his own 25 or below and you're nearly guaranteed the ball back, why on Earth do you try to force a pass over potentially making it a one score game. It makes absolutely no sense to me as to why you don't play it safe there, of all the time you take a deep shot you pick the worst time to make it.

 

[Tank]

Now this is an assessment about Flacco's game play that I can agree with. It coincides with what I have said numerous times. That Marty, like the previous O.C.'s not named Kubiak, has absolutely no idea or clue about how to properly utilize his personnel.

No question. It’s a shame there hasn’t been a successful system implemented and stuck with for any period of time. If you look at the best offenses and QB performance that’s a common thread, a consistent offensive philosophy and consistency at O coordinator. Not necessarily the same guy for years(although that is best), but at least someone who carries on with the same successful offensive philosophy.

Whether it’s true or not, it always seems with the Ravens that offense is almost an afterthought, something meant to complement a stellar defensive unit. I love great defense, but it’s time to push some weight a little farther over to the other side of the scale.

 

[BloodRaven]

That’s something that was talked about before in this thread. Flacco, much like many QBs, has always played best when there is an up tempo, steady rhythm to the offense and play calling. Seems that has always helped breed confidence and success. With the way the offense and play calling are run now along with the failures at key moments in the game it seems his confidence suffers and things become forced and difficult.

I don’t think it would take any sort of super star performances to get things rolling again. If we could have a steady, up tempo and unpredictable flow to the play calling, decent play from the O line and RBs, and just have guys catch the damn ball there would be huge improvements in the offense and Flacco’s performance.

Then why he causing delay of game penalties when he needs to play uptempo? he's sabotaging himself and the offense.

 

[Ellicottraven]

At least we can move on from him, we can't move on from Flacco and his team killer contract for at least another two years.

But for us to go anywhere as a franchise, I don't know if we can wait for 2 yrs. With him at QB I don't ever see us getting back into contention unless of course he takes pay commensurate with his production which shouldn't exceed the pay for that of a decent back up. But, that ain't going to happen, so we may have to bite the bullet and use him as back up should we stink big time moving forward and sign the QB of our future next year.

 

[Militant X 1]

No question. It’s a shame there hasn’t been a successful system implemented and stuck with for any period of time. If you look at the best offenses and QB performance that’s a common thread, a consistent offensive philosophy and consistency at O coordinator. Not necessarily the same guy for years(although that is best), but at least someone who carries on with the same successful offensive philosophy.

Whether it’s true or not, it always seems with the Ravens that offense is almost an afterthought, something meant to complement a stellar defensive unit. I love great defense, but it’s time to push some weight a little farther over to the other side of the scale.

I believe that it is true!

The Ravens FO have never seemed to want the Ravens to be known for being an offensive juggernaut. All of their focus has been on the defense. Now, I'm a defensive type of cat (I played LB and DE myself) so I'm more prone to show love to that side of the ball. However, the Ravens offense is putrid from top to bottom and not one offensive player..not one...puts fear into the hearts of defenses.

My thought is; "Why does it have to be...one side of the ball or the other?" We need to be a well-balanced team. One that has a formidable offense and a destructive defense. Sure, it may be hard to achieve in today's NFL with free agency and salary caps etc., but I don't think that it is impossible. The FO has to do a better job at drafting O-lineman, WR's, TE's and RB's. Cause to be honest, I'm sick of this in Baltimore.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

I agree, I think the pick was mostly on Joe. Looking at the play, I think Moore ran a good route, and I'll explain to others why. He ran deep enough to where he had the DB backed up, got Fuller off the receivers route route, and ran sharp to the side-line. An accurate pass and there's no way you throw a pick. I think Fuller made a fantastic job recovering and the pick was honestly fluky, but the thing about a comeback route is that if executing, your chances of getting INT is low, because either your WR catches the pass, or the ball hits the sidelines, but once the pass is late, you give the DB an opportunity to make a play at the ball. I think Moore ran a good route, it was a great play by Fuller, and a bad decision by Joe.

Not only that but here's what frustrated me badly about that INT. You're on the Bears 32, and you're down 17-13. On the other side you know damn well that Trubisky isn't driving the length of the field on his own 25 or below and you're nearly guaranteed the ball back, why on Earth do you try to force a pass over potentially making it a one score game. It makes absolutely no sense to me as to why you don't play it safe there, of all the time you take a deep shot you pick the worst time to make it.

Aas I said in my OP, have to throw with anticipation. Can't wait for the receiver to be out of his break to make the throw.

 

[K-Dog]

"apologists" lol Just look at facts and provide plausible comments that make sense. That's all.

"Let's start by stating a fact: Joe Flacco didn't have a great day during the Ravens' 27-24 overtime loss to the Bears Oct. 15. That's obvious based on the accepted fact we have to work with. When a quarterback finishes with a 48.8 rating, there's no way to argue he had a great day. But there's a funny thing that happens when someone actually watches a football game. It's a thing where we have the nuance to understand whether the struggles of the offense rest on the shoulders of the quarterback, or, say, on ...

- A first interception that came after a ball hit wide receiver Breshad Perriman directly in the hands
- A second interception that came after a pass hit wide receiver Chris Moore square in the chest.
- A would-be first down that wasn't because running back Bobby Rainey tripped over his own feet in the open field.
- A would-be first down that wasn't because tight end Maxx Williams fumbled after picking up the necessary yardage and the Bears recovered.
- A would-be first down that wasn't because wide receiver Michael Campanaro dropped a ball that hit him in the hands in the middle of the field.
- A would-be touchdown that wasn't because wide receiver Chris Matthews tripped over his own feet when he was wide open in the end zone.

I'll stop there. If three or four of these plays are actually made, I have no idea if we'd look at the totality of Flacco's day and suddenly say, "Wow, the quarterback really played well." But it's easy to see what an impact this group of pass-catching failures had in conspiring to tell the story of his overall performance. "

While I agree that Flacco's receivers didn't help him, he also didn't help himself against the Bears either...

- Flacco's 1st sack in which while there was no one open, he just pumped faked the ball and then instead of running out of the collapsing pocket to the left side for some yards....he just ridiculously spun around right into the hands of a defender.

- Flacco overthrows Perriman on 3rd & 11. Well...Perriman is a BUM....but still!

- Flacco's throw to Perriman (the 1st interception) was thrown low and nearly got him killed! Well...Perriman is a BUM but still!

- Flacco's 2nd sack came when the pocket was collapsing and he refused to run to the left for some yards due to starring to his right.

- The next play Flacco throws a ball that was way too high and out of bounds to Moore.
- The next play Flacco takes a delay of game. That's rookie type
- The next play was a dump off to Rainey that drew a penalty advancing the Ravens offense to 1st & goal.
- The next play Flacco throw to Watson was too late and allowed Fuller to close on it. If Flacco throws it earlier its a TD!
- The next play Flacco horribly overthrows Wallace in the endzone.

- Later in the game....Flacco crosses the line of scrimmage and throws the ball to Wallace in the endzone. Again, that's rookie type

- The offense DIDN'T SCORE A TD. Who leads the offense?

Now, because I ACTUALLY WATCH FOOTBALL GAMES, I could go on and on about Flacco's obvious involvement in the Ravens offensive ineptness but I'll stop there.

Ya know that the BOTH of you could be right?

Ummm yup.

 

[BloodRaven]

Aas I said in my OP, have to throw with anticipation. Can't wait for the receiver to be out of his break to make the throw.

Well Joe doesn't hold private workouts with his receivers so he has to develop timing and learn their route tendencies during training camp, something he wasn't able to do much of this year.

 

[RayRayRaven]

"apologists" lol Just look at facts and provide plausible comments that make sense. That's all.

"Let's start by stating a fact: Joe Flacco didn't have a great day during the Ravens' 27-24 overtime loss to the Bears Oct. 15. That's obvious based on the accepted fact we have to work with. When a quarterback finishes with a 48.8 rating, there's no way to argue he had a great day. But there's a funny thing that happens when someone actually watches a football game. It's a thing where we have the nuance to understand whether the struggles of the offense rest on the shoulders of the quarterback, or, say, on ...

- A first interception that came after a ball hit wide receiver Breshad Perriman directly in the hands
- A second interception that came after a pass hit wide receiver Chris Moore square in the chest.
- A would-be first down that wasn't because running back Bobby Rainey tripped over his own feet in the open field.
- A would-be first down that wasn't because tight end Maxx Williams fumbled after picking up the necessary yardage and the Bears recovered.
- A would-be first down that wasn't because wide receiver Michael Campanaro dropped a ball that hit him in the hands in the middle of the field.
- A would-be touchdown that wasn't because wide receiver Chris Matthews tripped over his own feet when he was wide open in the end zone.

I'll stop there. If three or four of these plays are actually made, I have no idea if we'd look at the totality of Flacco's day and suddenly say, "Wow, the quarterback really played well." But it's easy to see what an impact this group of pass-catching failures had in conspiring to tell the story of his overall performance. "

While I agree that Flacco's receivers didn't help him, he also didn't help himself against the Bears either...

- Flacco's 1st sack in which while there was no one open, he just pumped faked the ball and then instead of running out of the collapsing pocket to the left side for some yards....he just ridiculously spun around right into the hands of a defender.

- Flacco overthrows Perriman on 3rd & 11. Well...Perriman is a BUM....but still!

- Flacco's throw to Perriman (the 1st interception) was thrown low and nearly got him killed! Well...Perriman is a BUM but still!

- Flacco's 2nd sack came when the pocket was collapsing and he refused to run to the left for some yards due to starring to his right.

- The next play Flacco throws a ball that was way too high and out of bounds to Moore.
- The next play Flacco takes a delay of game. That's rookie type
- The next play was a dump off to Rainey that drew a penalty advancing the Ravens offense to 1st & goal.
- The next play Flacco throw to Watson was too late and allowed Fuller to close on it. If Flacco throws it earlier its a TD!
- The next play Flacco horribly overthrows Wallace in the endzone.

- Later in the game....Flacco crosses the line of scrimmage and throws the ball to Wallace in the endzone. Again, that's rookie type

- The offense DIDN'T SCORE A TD. Who leads the offense?

Now, because I ACTUALLY WATCH FOOTBALL GAMES, I could go on and on about Flacco's obvious involvement in the Ravens offensive ineptness but I'll stop there.

everyone sees different things in the same play. that is why ozze sees things that never were and drafts guys on fictions. all plays and playmakers have to be evaluated in regard to the context in which they are viewed.

to my eye the intercepted ball to perriman does look underthrow but the safety that concussed perriman was closing fast and in retrospect it appears flacco put it where it could be safely caught. it didn't work out that way, but won't fault joejoe on that heave.

the intercepted ball to Moore was thrown into tight coverage. so tight the defender got an arm almost immediately in and my view indicates that caused the deflection and pick. If someone can illustrate otherwise my view is not set in stone.

the rest of joejoes play was close to horrific. if we could trade him yesterday for a number 1 and a number 2 don't even try to argue it would be a bad deal. he's playing terrible, but he is also getting little help because we are long way from the team we fielded in 2012 and we are coached horribly.

anyone else irked by ozzes latest Bernard Pollard? if that guy gets deeked out one more time I'm calling ozze with a recommendation that tank play safety.

its a mess and only one thing can fix it

SAY IT.........SAY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ellicottraven]

Well Joe doesn't hold private workouts with his receivers so he has to develop timing and learn their route tendencies during training camp, something he wasn't able to do much of this year.

Come on man! He's got 4 kids to worry about and he's already banked the cash. Stop it.

 

[Ellicottraven]

The bottom line is being an ex-Flacco apologist, I can conclusively say he's finished as an NFL franchise QB. It's been 10 yrs and he is still poor at diagnosing defenses and can be tricked into INTs with phantom pressure. He's simply very football dumb and has always been football dumb. But his arm talent kind of kept that at bay. But, now his accuracy is gone with the deep ball and his ability to see the entire field and go through his progressions is about the level of a rookie after 10 yrs. He doesn't seem to have the love of the game that drives passion like it does other elite QBs. To me love drives passion drives intelligence. Working backwards, the fact that he has limited football intelligence tells me he really doesn't love the game. He isn't a dumb guy by any means but incredibly dumb on the football field.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Well Joe doesn't hold private workouts with his receivers so he has to develop timing and learn their route tendencies during training camp, something he wasn't able to do much of this year.

He has a better rapport with Maclin than Moore and Perriman who spent all of last year with him.

 

[RayRayRaven]

The bottom line is being an ex-Flacco apologist, I can conclusively say he's finished as an NFL franchise QB. It's been 10 yrs and he is still poor at diagnosing defenses and can be tricked into INTs with phantom pressure. He's simply very football dumb and has always been football dumb. But his arm talent kind of kept that at bay. But, now his accuracy is gone with the deep ball and his ability to see the entire field and go through his progressions is about the level of a rookie after 10 yrs. He doesn't seem to have the love of the game that drives passion like it does other elite QBs. To me love drives passion drives intelligence. Working backwards, the fact that he has limited football intelligence tells me he really doesn't love the game. He isn't a dumb guy by any means but incredibly dumb on the football field.

hes very slow in progressing through reads and finding the one on one or open man. his arm was always so strong he did not have to anticipate a man open. he threw his man open. I believe he still has the arm strength but throwing the man open is not working out now because he has no rapport with anyone but Wallace. our wr's suck and I mean all of them. but flacco is helping them suck to.

flacco needs a team around him and ozze understands that but just can't seem to build around him now. that said, do like Collins. he aint ray rice but hes acceptable.

 

[rossihunter2]

For just one game I want to see how we look using the hurry up / no huddle outside of the 2 minute offence - put the onus and plays on flacco let him read the defence and live and die by that for one week just to see what happens

 

[RavensFan419]

Joe in my opinion has had two solid games his two ints this week are on his supporting cast the man can’t catch the ball

 

[TheCity5]

Aas I said in my OP, have to throw with anticipation. Can't wait for the receiver to be out of his break to make the throw.

Yeah, Moore was already out of his breaks, if the throw was earlier at the worst there isn't an INT. It's honestly really tough to throw an INT on a comeback/backshoulder fade if the play is executed. It should legit be your first read, never your second or third which is why throwing the pass there was an awful idea. If the DB can make a play on the pass, then the throw was late. You already get the idea but I just thought I should expand my thoughts on that.

 

[TheCity5]

He has a better rapport with Maclin than Moore and Perriman who spent all of last year with him.

That's a really good point. He also had far better chemistry with Smith Sr. then he every did with Torrey IMO. The Chemistry between him and Smith Sr. was the best he ever had with a WR.

 

[BloodRaven]

The common theme with Flacco is always things that he should be doing, I think after 10 years he isn't going to suddenly figure things out.

 

[Tank]

For just one game I want to see how we look using the hurry up / no huddle outside of the 2 minute offence - put the onus and plays on flacco let him read the defence and live and die by that for one week just to see what happens

Flacco and the offense have always done extremely well in the past running the no huddle and sugar huddle, no reason why now would be any different other than the different/other personnel on the field. It may be that they have a strategy to shorten the games because of the depleted offensive roster, don’t know.

 

[RayRayRaven]

That's a really good point. He also had far better chemistry with Smith Sr. then he every did with Torrey IMO. The Chemistry between him and Smith Sr. was the best he ever had with a WR.

derrick mason prolly had the best stats. but my money is on the boldin/flacco combination. not big on yards or tds, (even tds with smith), but huge on possession and have to have its. they had literally bonded morphed into one by playoffs 2012. flacco was "boldin strong" in the 'negotiations" to retain boldin. all for naught fallin on deaf ears and blind eyes.

they beat up flacco and took away his lunch money