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i mean like on 3rd and 8 having someone drive 10 yards and curl back, someone run a deeper route that cuts towards the middle of the field and draws the eyes of the safety, have a crosser that's also your hot route and then have your checkdown option - something like that should give you at least 3 half decent chances to get to that first down marker because the defence has to respect the idea that you might beat them deeper than the line to gain

But let's say we stop having buck Allen and nick Boyle playing on third and long, say we send guys like Moore, Wallace, and Watson past the 8 yard line, maclin runs a slant/drag from the slot and woodhead finds the soft spot. Joe doesn't have to look downfield aside from looking off the safety.

Say Watson is inline, with Moore and Wallace outside, send Watson burning up the seam, that draws a safety bare minimum, perhaps a LB also, deep slant with Wallace across the field threatens a velocity pass so the safety has to anticipate this and play cautious, Moore on a fly route just in case the other safety doesn't bite, woodhead in the backfield demands attention. That leaves maclin 1v1 with either a LB or nickel back out of the slot, and THERE is your YAC. Have joe look at Watson off the snap and he WILL draw an extra defender, before joe finishes his drop his eyes should be turned to maclin where he strikes after a 3 step drop, maclin is ahead of his man, and the nearest LB and safety is on Watson, the other LB is on woodhead, and the FS is on either Wallace or Moore, wide open field and quick release so pass pro doesn't matter.

Theoretical and all, but one thing is certain, if something won't even work on paper it definitely won't work on the field, and sending everybody 5 yards deep on 3rd and 8 fails in every hypothetical and real life scenario. So you don't have to wait for deep routes to develop to make use of deep routes, you just use multiple route concepts to scheme guys open short. You simply can't let guys run downfield uncovered, you can't let big bodied TEs fly up the seam without covering his up-top and underneath, we don't have the pass pro to get downfield but we don't have to, we just have to threaten downfield.
If it were all this simple, teams would be doing this across the league on the regular, but there's a reason that no teams are above 50% on third down.

With how Joe has played, there's nothing stopping a team from putting three to rush and then dropping eight into zones or running man across the board on the four receivers and then running zone coverage between the other four. Hell, have the two safeties sit on the sticks at the snap and then have two linebackers drop into shallow zones.

Like I said- I just want to know how teams are defending the Ravens on third down before we criticize them for not running plays at or beyond the sticks.
 
I have an idea. Have Mallett line up behind Center and Flacco as TE. Now have Mallett throw the same quick one yard toss in the flat to Flacco causing him to get nailed.

Next time up he will think twice about passing to Watson for a yard kill route.
 
If it were all this simple, teams would be doing this across the league on the regular, but there's a reason that no teams are above 50% on third down.

With how Joe has played, there's nothing stopping a team from putting three to rush and then dropping eight into zones or running man across the board on the four receivers and then running zone coverage between the other four. Hell, have the two safeties sit on the sticks at the snap and then have two linebackers drop into shallow zones.

Like I said- I just want to know how teams are defending the Ravens on third down before we criticize them for not running plays at or beyond the sticks.
The thing is though... a lot of teams do this, and it doesn't work for over 50% conversion rate but it DOES work far more often than the bullshit that we do. Combo route concepts aren't a new or rare thing, and we dont use them, we just send 3 guys on 1-step breaks and then don't even bother to make reads.
 
The thing is though... a lot of teams do this, and it doesn't work for over 50% conversion rate but it DOES work far more often than the bullshit that we do. Combo route concepts aren't a new or rare thing, and we dont use them, we just send 3 guys on 1-step breaks and then don't even bother to make reads.
I'd be very curious to see how the Ravens stack up to the league in different situations, such as 3rd and long, medium, and short. Do the Ravens have a horrible third down conversion rate compared to other teams because they have better third down calls or they don't let themselves into third and long often?
 
I'd be very curious to see how the Ravens stack up to the league in different situations, such as 3rd and long, medium, and short. Do the Ravens have a horrible third down conversion rate compared to other teams because they have better third down calls or they don't let themselves into third and long often?
Well on 3rd and 4th and 1 I believe are the best. Hard to screw up 1 yard
 
I'd be very curious to see how the Ravens stack up to the league in different situations, such as 3rd and long, medium, and short. Do the Ravens have a horrible third down conversion rate compared to other teams because they have better third down calls or they don't let themselves into third and long often?

Well on 3rd and 4th and 1 I believe are the best. Hard to screw up 1 yard

was just about to post the same thing
i believe we are 31st in the league on 3rd down conversions (1 spot ahead of the browns) and that includes the fact that we have only got stuffed on 3rd/4th and 1 once all year
 
I have an idea. Have Mallett line up behind Center and Flacco as TE. Now have Mallett throw the same quick one yard toss in the flat to Flacco causing him to get nailed.

Next time up he will think twice about passing to Watson for a yard kill route.

Pretty bold assumption Mallette completes the pass.

:p
 
I'd be very curious to see how the Ravens stack up to the league in different situations, such as 3rd and long, medium, and short. Do the Ravens have a horrible third down conversion rate compared to other teams because they have better third down calls or they don't let themselves into third and long often?
Well 3rd and long is incredibly hard to convert, and we do end up in a lot of those, but how often do you see 3rd and 2-3 with everybody running a 1 yard out or a 1 yard in and getting tackled one yard short? We just don't combine our routes in a way that allows us to open up space, you can't have a YAC based offense if the throwing field is cluttered because everyone is nearby. We don't see any rub routes, long and short, etc. to clear out running lanes. All it takes is for us to not send everyone on short crossing routes, when we have 4 receivers(or 3 with a TE) you challenge them far past the markers with 2 of them even if you have no intentions of targeting them, even if the defense drops 8 it still draws extra defenders and creates more space underneath, and also if they drop 8 then you may actually have time to let those deep routes develop and you can get one deep because they sell out to sit on the markers. Like I said it's all theoretical and on paper here, but god damn it's better to at least try to mix it up and use common sense than having everyone run into a wall of defenders short of the sticks lol
 
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