i mean like on 3rd and 8 having someone drive 10 yards and curl back, someone run a deeper route that cuts towards the middle of the field and draws the eyes of the safety, have a crosser that's also your hot route and then have your checkdown option - something like that should give you at least 3 half decent chances to get to that first down marker because the defence has to respect the idea that you might beat them deeper than the line to gain
If it were all this simple, teams would be doing this across the league on the regular, but there's a reason that no teams are above 50% on third down.But let's say we stop having buck Allen and nick Boyle playing on third and long, say we send guys like Moore, Wallace, and Watson past the 8 yard line, maclin runs a slant/drag from the slot and woodhead finds the soft spot. Joe doesn't have to look downfield aside from looking off the safety.
Say Watson is inline, with Moore and Wallace outside, send Watson burning up the seam, that draws a safety bare minimum, perhaps a LB also, deep slant with Wallace across the field threatens a velocity pass so the safety has to anticipate this and play cautious, Moore on a fly route just in case the other safety doesn't bite, woodhead in the backfield demands attention. That leaves maclin 1v1 with either a LB or nickel back out of the slot, and THERE is your YAC. Have joe look at Watson off the snap and he WILL draw an extra defender, before joe finishes his drop his eyes should be turned to maclin where he strikes after a 3 step drop, maclin is ahead of his man, and the nearest LB and safety is on Watson, the other LB is on woodhead, and the FS is on either Wallace or Moore, wide open field and quick release so pass pro doesn't matter.
Theoretical and all, but one thing is certain, if something won't even work on paper it definitely won't work on the field, and sending everybody 5 yards deep on 3rd and 8 fails in every hypothetical and real life scenario. So you don't have to wait for deep routes to develop to make use of deep routes, you just use multiple route concepts to scheme guys open short. You simply can't let guys run downfield uncovered, you can't let big bodied TEs fly up the seam without covering his up-top and underneath, we don't have the pass pro to get downfield but we don't have to, we just have to threaten downfield.
With how Joe has played, there's nothing stopping a team from putting three to rush and then dropping eight into zones or running man across the board on the four receivers and then running zone coverage between the other four. Hell, have the two safeties sit on the sticks at the snap and then have two linebackers drop into shallow zones.
Like I said- I just want to know how teams are defending the Ravens on third down before we criticize them for not running plays at or beyond the sticks.