Joe Flacco

[Oldfaithful]

All that matters is whether Flacco is good enough to win a ring. He had a shit season but I still think a fair amount of the offense's lack of production can be attributed to the lack of weapons and supporting cast. Outside of Collins and Woodhead we did not have the best production. Ozzie's unwillingness to more aggressive address the offense last offseason was predictably our undoing this season ON THE WHOLE. Defense may have collapsed down the line, but they were the only reason we were in the position to make the playoffs in the first place.


I still think Flacco is good enough to win us a ring based off of the back half of the season and that he still displays traits. Personally I think James Urban is going to do wonders for the guy's mechanics and thank fuck for that. I don't think he's in a regression even if that ACL tear robbed him of some of his mobility that he displayed towards the beggining of his career.

That said. If Ozzie and co think that Flacco is superman.. Then we are utterly fucked. He needs better weapons in the passing game. He needs an upgrade or two on the oline(and no.. Alex Lewis should NOT be at guard under any circumstances. If we have the opportunity to draft Nelson and pass him up even for Calvin Ridley Ozzie and Harbaugh should be fired immediately for stupidity and incompetence). We need to find our identity on the offensive side of the ball.

All that said. Flacco needs to play better, but if we improve our supporting cast I'd trust him to get to the postseason. Putting him in a tier has and will always be pointless because of how inconsistent the dude is. When he's on his A-game: he's impossible to play against due to his cannon for an arm. When he's not he's as bad as Sanchez was. No point.

Here's to hoping that Flacco actually improves this offseason and that Ozzie makes improvements.

 

[rossihunter2]

Also I'm sorry but if you are equating Nick Foles and Joe Flacco then you just haven't been watching Nick Foles the last 4 years...

 

[redrum52]

A healthy Luck is tier one. Dude somehow manages to play well and his team isn’t totally terrible when he’s on the fielddespite not having a team around him outside of Hilton. He’s that good. If you put Luck on this squad we’d be a super bowl team

Why do people hate Phillip Rivers so much?

And no way in hell Nelson makes it to us. Look at all the OL needy teams in front of us. Can't see him getting past the Broncos and Niners.

 

[RavensMania]

Why do people hate Phillip Rivers so much?

And no way in hell Nelson makes it to us. Look at all the OL needy teams in front of us. Can't see him getting past the Broncos and Niners.

not sure, he's very underrated even after all these years. Probably due to the team he plays for.

 

[K-Dog]

I am pretty sure Joe Flacco hangs his toilet paper to hang from the back.

 

[Willbacker]

I am pretty sure Joe Flacco hangs his toilet paper to hang from the back.

No wonder he throws off his back foot. Its gotta hang from the front dammit!!

 

[Tank]

I said it before but it bears repeating. Cerrato isn't the primary source, he is simply repeating what he's heard from, (apparently) people on the inside. He does have sources and he does communicate with them.

I agree with you that he comes off a boob at times but these ad hominem attacks leveled by others do not address whether what he is reporting is true and strike me rather lazy.
namely, that Joe is a 9 to 5 guy who does only what is required to this point. I


I respect your opinion, Tank and if you simply don't believe what he's saying that others are saying...well, ok. But I need to ask; if it is true that he does only what he absolutely has to...do you think this is ok? Should a franchise quarterback be expected to go above and beyond what is asked?

I think any player should be doing all they can to the best of their abilities to help the team.

I believe what Joe’s team mates have said about him. I think he is a stand up guy that gives it his all to help the team win and doesn’t need to be asked or forced to do any of it. I also think the injuries of the past 3 years have compromised his abilities at times and that has been mistaken for “not caring” or having regressed.

 

[rossihunter2]

I think any player should be doing all they can to the best of their abilities to help the team.

I believe what Joe’s team mates have said about him. I think he is a stand up guy that gives it his all to help the team win and doesn’t need to be asked or forced to do any of it. I also think the injuries of the past 3 years have compromised his abilities at times and that has been mistaken for “not caring” or having regressed.

we all remembered when joe cool was thought to be a good thing - now it's thought of as uncaring and used to denigrate

 

[RavensFan419]

Also I'm sorry but if you are equating Nick Foles and Joe Flacco then you just haven't been watching Nick Foles the last 4 years...

Also agree forgot to mention that in my last post lol

 

[TheCity5]

Why do people hate Phillip Rivers so much?

And no way in hell Nelson makes it to us. Look at all the OL needy teams in front of us. Can't see him getting past the Broncos and Niners.

I don’t think we can rule out Players this easily. It’s not even the combine yet. Besides, if Denver takes Nelson at No.5 then I will just shrug my shoulders. For years the G position has been undervalued in the draft with teams not picking a G till the 2nd round in some cases, and now one is going into the top 5? I’m just not buying it. I don’t even know if he’s going into the top 10. It’s too early to pre-determine where these guys fall draft day but I think he’s well within reach as of now.

 

[rossihunter2]

I don’t think we can rule out Players this easily. It’s not even the combine yet. Besides, if Denver takes Nelson at No.5 then I will just shrug my shoulders. For years the G position has been undervalued in the draft with teams not picking a G till the 2nd round in some cases, and now one is going into the top 5? I’m just not buying it. I don’t even know if he’s going into the top 10. It’s too early to pre-determine where these guys fall draft day but I think he’s well within reach as of now.

that's all well and true but the more i watch nelson the higher he goes - im pretty close to having him as a top 2 player on my big board at this point

 

[Boldnpurpblack]

That presumes quite a lot (the parts of your post i don't agree with).
1) You assume he takes film home and does the work at home. For this there is nothing to go on
2) assuming this IS the case....your rationale for him doing this at home is that he has a family....this shouldn't matter. All of these guys have families and if he is afforded that latitude while others are not...again we don't know whether he's about football at home or not, it really doesn't fit the leader narrative anymore than the pouting side receiver version of Flacco does.
3) you said that he played, " good enough.... " never mind that the last five weeks were the most consistent regular season stretch he's had since...???( This is sad to say after ten years)...I expect more from him than just being, " good enough" . This is an essential problem as I see it....He's allowed to simply be good enough, or simply, " gotten" to the playoffs at which point Flacco will turn it on. I'd prefer him to be consistent.

I'd prefer he spend himself for the organization...wouldn't you...If given your preference?
4) if he's done the job up to your standard over these last three years....I can't entertain that. You're essentially saying this all you expect of him off or on the field....I'm not sure about that.
He isn't , " taking us to the playoffs...winning us games"

Well you took the good enough part out of context. Good enough to go far in the playoffs was the statement.... which isnt "good enough" in the sense of just getting by like you insinuated my comment to mean.

And I'll allow Rossi's reply to stand for the rest of it. I don't want to debate things that neither of us have firsthand knowledge of, and where legitimate firsthand accounts are brushed aside so easily. Neither of us can win on that field.

 

[redrum52]

that's all well and true but the more i watch nelson the higher he goes - im pretty close to having him as a top 2 player on my big board at this point

I don't think people realize how good he is and how desperate some tears are in need of a player like that. He's looking like a guy you plug and play for the next decade, easy.

 

[Inqui]

I don't think people realize how good he is and how desperate some tears are in need of a player like that. He's looking like a guy you plug and play for the next decade, easy.

I couldn't find any scouting reports on the guy but here's Matt Miller around November 2011 on David DeCastro:

Watching DeCastro over the past few weeks has been impressive, more so than any other guard I can remember seeing in the last decade. I'm not quite ready to call DeCastro the best guard I have ever scouted, but he's close to winning that award.

Few blockers understand angles as well as the bright DeCastro, but he backs up that Football IQ with hard-nosed, mean streaks as a blocker.

Miller ended up putting him at No.6 on his big board and ended up flagging him as the best OG prospect, most NFL-ready, best pass blocker, best potential, lowest risk, first Pro Bowler and best in five years. He ended up getting picked 24th overall (and we all got another reason to hate the Steelers).

I agree Nelson has no business making it past the top 10 (and if you had to bet your life on someone panning out, he's probably your best bet), but an OG falling 10 spots isn't unpresidented. Another pick in which I learnt not to make absolutes was when a certain top OT posted a bong video on Twitter hours before the draft started.

 

[redrum52]

I couldn't find any scouting reports on the guy but here's Matt Miller around November 2011 on David DeCastro:


Miller ended up putting him at No.6 on his big board and ended up flagging him as the best OG prospect, most NFL-ready, best pass blocker, best potential, lowest risk, first Pro Bowler and best in five years. He ended up getting picked 24th overall (and we all got another reason to hate the Steelers).

I agree Nelson has no business making it past the top 10 (and if you had to bet your life on someone panning out, he's probably your best bet), but an OG falling 10 spots isn't unpresidented. Another pick in which I learnt not to make absolutes was when a certain top OT posted a bong video on Twitter hours before the draft started.

I agree that you never know what will happen, but if I'm correct, the 11 draft was STACKED. Think that had more to do with him falling than anything. Pretty sure it was Cam, Von Miller and JJ draft.

Reading is a fundamental. That was posted November 2011. Ignore whatever dumb shit I said before.

 

[Oldfaithful]

I agree that you never know what will happen, but if I'm correct, the 11 draft was STACKED. Think that had more to do with him falling than anything. Pretty sure it was Cam, Von Miller and JJ draft.

Reading is a fundamental. That was posted November 2011. Ignore whatever dumb shit I said before.

Decastro was class of 2012.

 

[redrum52]

Decastro was class of 2012.

Just checked. Since 2013-16 at least 3 OL have been selected in the top 15, though, most were OTs. Last year none, but it was also considered a weak o-line class. I still don't think he makes it to us, but if he get in the range Ozzie's scared ass better pull the trigger. Build through the trenches.

 

[ravenslord]

Just checked. Since 2013-16 at least 3 OL have been selected in the top 15, though, most were OTs. Last year none, but it was also considered a weak o-line class. I still don't think he makes it to us, but if he get in the range Ozzie's scared ass better pull the trigger. Build through the trenches.

Completely agree. Look at the time Brady and Foles has during their wins. Way more than Flacco has had.

 

[Inqui]

Just checked. Since 2013-16 at least 3 OL have been selected in the top 15, though, most were OTs. Last year none, but it was also considered a weak o-line class. I still don't think he makes it to us, but if he get in the range Ozzie's scared ass better pull the trigger. Build through the trenches.

The rule seems to be that teams take QB, LT and WR high (as in, top 10) even if they're a bit of a reach, while they're ready to wait on OG and even more so C. Though that seems to be changing now that teams seem to be more willing to "reach" on good players in a position of need.

The depressing thing is that I think Ozzie's still got his head in the old school way of doing things, which might end up implying we pass on Nelson and address the position on day two. If Nelson's there and we pass on him then it's time for a new GM (again this assumes Nelson doesn't post a bong video or get arrested in some multinational racketeering bust or something).

 

[redrum52]

The rule seems to be that teams take QB, LT and WR high (as in, top 10) even if they're a bit of a reach, while they're ready to wait on OG and even more so C. Though that seems to be changing now that teams seem to be more willing to "reach" on good players in a position of need.

The depressing thing is that I think Ozzie's still got his head in the old school way of doing things, which might end up implying we pass on Nelson and address the position on day two. If Nelson's there and we pass on him then it's time for a new GM (again this assumes Nelson doesn't post a bong video or get arrested in some multinational racketeering bust or something).

The funny thing is, a lot of guys drafted early ended up playing out of position anyway so there's that. Tunsil still went top 10 as well I think. We've had chances to make moves on really good WR talent, just to waste picks on guys that most here seem to know weren't worth it at the spot. Will be interesting how things pan out.