Joe Flacco

[Sandtown]

The only way Flacco is comparible to Brady or Rodgers is how much they are being paid, we had better pass pro than the Pats this season and Brady still marched to the SB and threw 500 yards without his #1 WR.

Now I understand Flacco is who he is, but we pay him like he can carry an offense when the past 5 seasons have shown that he is a complimentary piece to a strong ground game.

Tom Brady has been in that same offensive system for over 10 years and the guy knows that offense like the back of his hand. Yeah he may have lost Brandin Cooks during the super bowl but Danny Amendola and Chris Hogan definitely can make plays when needed. It doesn't hurt at all that Josh McDaniels himself is one of the better offensive coordinators in the league and has been pretty creative with getting receivers open. For the past 5 years The Ravens offensive system have been through consistent changes with different offensive coordinators. For the past two years Joe Flacco himself hasn't been the most healthiest and it didn't help at all that he missed alot of time from training camp and preseason.

Unfortunately football isn't completely like the video game called Madden .Can't really bounce around offensive coordinators and offensive system and expect the quarterback to play at a top level regardless even if he's highly paid. The quarterback position requires too much thinking to expect a quarterback to be on his game consistently when major changes are being made back to back at the offensive coordinator position.

 

[Sledge Hammer]

When you make your QB the top compensated qb in the league your playmaker is supposed to be your QB. He is supposed to make his players better. Part of the revolving door at coordinator falls on joe. How many coordinators got promotions cuz of their QB only to realize he needs his QB to run a high powered offense?? Take some of the great coordinators and give them a bad QB. Some QBs perform with any coordinator. But all in all QBs and coordinators work together. If you are a QB that can only perform with a top3 offensive mind. Then it’s more the system than you. With the game geared towards QB and offense it isn’t hard to find an average QB in the modern league.

No named QBs are coming off the bench to throw for 300 yards all over the league. What team is gonna be the first to say We are not paying an average QB $120mil?? We will identify talented backups we like and trade or go with a rookie we like. And use that near $25mil a year on elite real players. Redskins may have taken a step in that direction?? In refusal to pay Cousins $120mil. Cuz let’s be honest you aren’t winning a Super Bowl with an average QB unless you put a pro bowl team around him. And that’s hard to do when he is eating near $25mil a yr in players. salary.

 

[BloodRaven]

Tom Brady has been in that same offensive system for over 10 years and the guy knows that offense like the back of his hand. Yeah he may have lost Brandin Cooks during the super bowl but Danny Amendola and Chris Hogan definitely can make plays when needed. It doesn't hurt at all that Josh McDaniels himself is one of the better offensive coordinators in the league and has been pretty creative with getting receivers open. For the past 5 years The Ravens offensive system have been through consistent changes with different offensive coordinators. For the past two years Joe Flacco himself hasn't been the most healthiest and it didn't help at all that he missed alot of time from training camp and preseason.

Unfortunately football isn't completely like the video game called Madden .Can't really bounce around offensive coordinators and offensive system and expect the quarterback to play at a top level regardless even if he's highly paid. The quarterback position requires too much thinking to expect a quarterback to be on his game consistently when major changes are being made back to back at the offensive coordinator position.

Thats a familiar argument, maybe 6th time is the charm? But if all the blame is on length of tenure then that implies that Flaccos next OC (his 5th OC in 6 years) will not make a difference, correct?

 

[DeVito52]

The only way Flacco is comparible to Brady or Rodgers is how much they are being paid, we had better pass pro than the Pats this season and Brady still marched to the SB and threw 500 yards without his #1 WR.

Now I understand Flacco is who he is, but we pay him like he can carry an offense when the past 5 seasons have shown that he is a complimentary piece to a strong ground game.

Um...did you see how wide open his WRs were getting literally every play? We have maybe one guy on our team that can do that and that’s Camp. Honestly it’s fucking hilarious what you’re saying. Your hatred for Joe is blinding you. You think since Joe had decent pass protection that he should’ve played better than he did and that our absolutely awful WR core shouldn’t hinder a QB? Give me a fucking break. If you can’t be happy with the way Joe played when he was healthy that latter half of the season then please go be a Patriots fan. No one is comparing him to Tom Brady except you.

 

[BloodRaven]

Um...did you see how wide open his WRs were getting literally every play? We have maybe one guy on our team that can do that and that’s Camp. Honestly it’s fucking hilarious what you’re saying. Your hatred for Joe is blinding you. You think since Joe had decent pass protection that he should’ve played better than he did and that our absolutely awful WR core shouldn’t hinder a QB? Give me a fucking break. If you can’t be happy with the way Joe played when he was healthy that latter half of the season then please go be a Patriots fan. No one is comparing him to Tom Brady except you.

Well if you have a counter argument then make it but make it about Joe, its pointless getting mad at me. If I hated Joe I would say so.

 

[Sooky]

Our offense starts rolling and is a top 3 in scoring the last half of the season and what does everyone want to do? Get rid of the center piece of it. Flacco looked fantastic in my opinion the last half of the season with bums. The offense actually looked like it could be a piece in winning a championship. The team needs upgrades at WR to get guys that don't have bricks as hands. The team needs a tight end that isn't almost 40. The team needs Yanda and Lewis back on the o-line. Collins needs to come back and play the way he did this year.

I was actually really impressed with how the offense started playing near the end of the season. I want Flacco as the quarterback next season and it isn't a question. I 100% agree with Bisciotti that Harbaugh's seat was way hotter than Flacco's.

 

[ravenslord]

The only way Flacco is comparible to Brady or Rodgers is how much they are being paid, we had better pass pro than the Pats this season and Brady still marched to the SB and threw 500 yards without his #1 WR.

Now I understand Flacco is who he is, but we pay him like he can carry an offense when the past 5 seasons have shown that he is a complimentary piece to a strong ground game.

Did you see the Gronk & Edelman catches in the playoffs!! No one but maybe Boldin would have made those catches.

But yes Flacco is not Brady. But no one is .

 

[flynismo]

Yeah, uh...what some of you guys seem to be forgetting is that it was well documented that Flacco was hurt the first seven games of the season, and the game plans were adjusted accordingly.

After Flacco regained his health, the Ravens led the NFL in points scored from week 8 on to the end of the season. That would be impressive enough if he had a Gronkowski and Cooks and Hogan to throw to. But he did it with Wallace, Maclin and Perriman at WR and a 36 year old TE.

Chew on that for a minute, then come back to me and tell me how replaceable and overpaid he is.

 

[Militant X 1]

Flacco's not my cup of tea but the dude played fairly well down the stretch. He needs help around him-plain and simple!

 

[Sledge Hammer]

Yeah, uh...what some of you guys seem to be forgetting is that it was well documented that Flacco was hurt the first seven games of the season, and the game plans were adjusted accordingly.

After Flacco regained his health, the Ravens led the NFL in points scored from week 8 on to the end of the season. That would be impressive enough if he had a Gronkowski and Cooks and Hogan to throw to. But he did it with Wallace, Maclin and Perriman at WR and a 36 year old TE.

Chew on that for a minute, then come back to me and tell me how replaceable and overpaid he is.

It would be so totally cool for joe to actually have weapons. I root for joe cuz I prefer offensive laced football team over defensive. With that said I’m totally fair discussing joe. First the negative about Flacco. I do believe the soft schedule helped pad his numbers. The opposing offenses and backup QBs couldn’t do anything and gave the ball back to the ravens through ineffective offense and turnovers. And Marty and Roman are far more accomplished coordinators than credited for scheming players open. And even with the points scored in those games Joe did a lot of bad things including shoddy accuracy at times.

However The criticism of joe irritates me. Cuz come is there a WR that plays fast and allows joe to find him in stride with a window?? The criticism thistle he can’t hit players in stride is what irritates me. I compared him to several QBs and when the WR is running full speed in route joe can find him and lead him better than Russell Wilson could ever dream. Joe can do all the things Ben Rivers Ryan and Wentz can do. And even Brees and Brady to a degree with one lil glitch. Joe can’t process as fast as them QBs can. He is a lil slow to process and it takes him an extra tick. But if he gets that extra tick in the pocket. He throws open and can lead as good as anybody. And can put up 4500 yards and 35+TDS. But if hurried he can be as bad as the worse QBs. Protect him and u have a top8 QB!! Maybe Better!! Cuz as of now Joe doesn’t have the route runners that play with tempo. Which would allow him to go through progressions and hit receivers in stride. Cuz he could get in that rhythm of knowing where his WRs are gonna be as well as going and breaking off and adjusting the route. If ravens got some fast route runners like Marqise Lee and Brice Butler then joe would know what to expect from his receivers routes and and could get in that rhythm. Part of a QBs accuracy is repetitive rythym of knowing where his targets are and gonna be. And having that trust the WR will be there and catch it. Give Joe the good fast route runners like Marqise Lee Paul Richardson and Brice Butler and allow him to find their consistent routes that get open and offer him a window and get in rythym consistently. And some of the haters could be quite pleasantly surprised. The best route runner now is Chris Moore and he is a number 4 Receiver or 3 at most

 

[BloodRaven]

So what Im getting here is if we dont have a All Pro type recieving target then Flacco is going to have another bust year? Is that what we're saying here?

 

[Deebo813]

So what Im getting here is if we dont have a All Pro type recieving target then Flacco is going to have another bust year? Is that what we're saying here?

Lol basically, but even with a all pro core he would still be mediocre

 

[Adreme]

So what Im getting here is if we dont have a All Pro type recieving target then Flacco is going to have another bust year? Is that what we're saying here?

I mean if closing out the year with one of the top scoring offenses in football is bust then yes. I get you want to ignore that because it does not fit the narrative you want but that actually happened and the skill players the Ravens were using were bad. They do not need to be All Pro they just need to be not bad. They do not need to constantly get as open as the Pats players do they just need to actually be able to at some point catch balls that hit them right in the hands.

 

[RavensMania]

I mean if closing out the year with one of the top scoring offenses in football is bust then yes. I get you want to ignore that because it does not fit the narrative you want but that actually happened and the skill players the Ravens were using were bad. They do not need to be All Pro they just need to be not bad. They do not need to constantly get as open as the Pats players do they just need to actually be able to at some point catch balls that hit them right in the hands.

What people tend to ignore is every team in our division played the same teams, albeit two teams. Joe may not be elite, but he’s not a bad qb like many are saying.

 

[Sledge Hammer]

Thats a familiar argument, maybe 6th time is the charm? But if all the blame is on length of tenure then that implies that Flaccos next OC (his 5th OC in 6 years) will not make a difference, correct?

Not really. I mean I do get what your saying. At his price tag he should make receivers better like Brady Rodgers Brees Rivers Garappolo. However I do believe he is very close to that in that next tier. Joe can unlock a receivers potential. But front office doesn’t give him the opportunity to do that!! It only signs WRs over their prime and hope he has something in the tank for joe to drive. If it got him young high skilled receivers looking for opportunity AND a QB that can get them the ball like Marqise Lee Brice Butler, Paul Richardson and Jeff Janis. I think there’s a good chance you will be surprised. I’m not saying Robinson and Landry. But skilled young competent route runners looking for opportunity with a good QB. So that Joe can learn acclimate and trust their consistent routes. And joe would benefit from a good oline more than any QB cuz if you give him that extra tick he throws as pretty and accurate and tight as any QB in the league. Maybe he does need that extra tick.

But any team would benefit from a dominant nasty oline as its identity including running backs, route runners and the defense as it controls the clock!! And not every QB can play well even with a great oline and competent WRs. If ravens can get the same production from Brice Butler Marqise Lee Paul Richardson and Jeff Janis as Robinson and Landry then Joe is playing to his money. And the ravens can get as much or more from players like Brice Butler and Marqise Lee than most teams can with Robinson and Landry. I get what you are saying. Sometimes I wanna thrash Joe. But then I consider how he has never thrown to good young receivers he could grow and get better with and acclimate to. It’s always some over 30 cap cut that if he can give a good year he slows down once he begins finding rythym with joe. If decision makers found him younger receivers then those receivers could get better every year getting in rythym. And it’s not like ravens ever drafted a receiver and he failed but went on to succeed elsewhere.

 

[BloodRaven]

I mean if closing out the year with one of the top scoring offenses in football is bust then yes. I get you want to ignore that because it does not fit the narrative you want but that actually happened and the skill players the Ravens were using were bad. They do not need to be All Pro they just need to be not bad. They do not need to constantly get as open as the Pats players do they just need to actually be able to at some point catch balls that hit them right in the hands.

Any QB is going to look like a world beater if you cherry pick good games and ignore bad games, but its those bad games that kept us out of the playoffs for 4 of the past 5 years.

 

[Adreme]

Any QB is going to look like a world beater if you cherry pick good games and ignore bad games, but its those bad games that kept us out of the playoffs for 4 of the past 5 years.

Im not "cherry picking" I am taking every game in the end section of the year. I am not omitting any of them. I am not saying I am taking the last segment of games except for games x and y, I am saying every game towards the end of the year because its almost shocking what being healthy with an OLine being in sync will do even if that OLine is composed of 3rd stringers. The weapons were playing awful but it did not matter all Joe needed was to have him and his OLine be healthy and somehow that was enough.

 

[rossihunter2]

Any QB is going to look like a world beater if you cherry pick good games and ignore bad games, but its those bad games that kept us out of the playoffs for 4 of the past 5 years.

every qb is gonna look like a trainwreck if you cherry pick their bad games and ignore the good games too...

 

[RL52TheGreatest]

Flacco was playing like his old self during the second half of the season which, regardless of your opinion of him, is a quarterback that can help us win a lot of games. Is he worth all the money we're paying him? Fuck no, but if we can get him some help then I think he'll lead us back to the playoffs and we all know what happens if he starts to get on a roll in the playoffs.

As soon as Flacco got healthy last season and ditched his knee brace, he started to look like he did in 2012. He was moving around a lot better, extending plays, and taking more shots downfield. Get him some WRs in the draft and FA that can catch the fucking ball and we could see major improvements next season.

 

[RayRayRaven]

Flacco was playing like his old self during the second half of the season which, regardless of your opinion of him, is a quarterback that can help us win a lot of games. Is he worth all the money we're paying him? Fuck no, but if we can get him some help then I think he'll lead us back to the playoffs and we all know what happens if he starts to get on a roll in the playoffs.

As soon as Flacco got healthy last season and ditched his knee brace, he started to look like he did in 2012. He was moving around a lot better, extending plays, and taking more shots downfield. Get him some WRs in the draft and FA that can catch the fucking ball and we could see major improvements next season.

If you saw the 2012 playoff Joe Flacco over the latter part of this season, I'd like to know where we can obtain a pair of those Rose Colored Glasses.

Even if Joes Yards Per Attempt did come up slightly from earlier in the season, he still posted his Career Worst Yards Per Attempt. Add to that when we needed him most, he crashed and burned in the Cincinnati finale with a 4.3 Yards Per Attempt, embarrassed more only by the meager 1.6 yards per attempt in the Jaguars game.

Lastly, when you look at some of the cakewalk games we had end of year, its really hard to make a case that "Joe Got Back". If he's passing your eye test, he's earning an F on many others.