DeVito52
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If you’re referring to when Joe said this, that’s completely out of context. We’ve all established he was joking around and being completely sarcastic. But yeah, keep pushing your agenda.
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The WR Thread
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JoeyFlex5
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Well in joes defense, we know a few things.. he's bad a timing patterns and short crossers, what he does well is zip the ball to the sideline on deep comebacks with stupid velocity, and do the same with deep ins/slants and occasionally hit the quick seam with a good physical target. He did the former with Derrick mason exceptionally well, he did it pretty well with boldin too. The latter 2 he was elite for a stretch when the playbook emphasized it with boldin and pitta, he abused defenses on those quick seams when he had someone who could catch them.
But what do we do with joe? Give him bad-handed speedsters to run short timing patterns, where he has to perfectly deliver on a crossing route and hit his man in stride to allow for YAC and hope he catches it. It's just not his game.
If we get flacco the likes of a mark Andrews to work that seam and go up and get a well placed ball over the LBs head, and then a guy who can work the sideline very well and come back and attack the ball and secure it, like a Miller, and call the goddamn plays accordingly, we could see a different joe.
He's not a west coast qb yet we keep forcing him on the west coast despite not having the personnel for it
Sooky
MVP
I've noticed with receivers that Joe has had he has been pretty accurate to receivers like Boldin, Mason, SSR... and I get they are possession guys but I sometimes feel like Joe tries too hard sometimes to put the ball in a place only the receiver can get to it with no faith in the receivers being able to handle the cornerback on their own. I also think he 'misfires' to throw the ball away that only the receiver can make an amazing catch or no one can catch it which I am fine with.
RaineV1
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The argument goes both ways. A great receiver can make a QB look great (Dalton being a prime example), and a great QB can make a WR look great. However, I seriously doubt Perriman wouldn't have been a bust elsewhere, and Brown would still be a dominate WR with us.
One thing to keep in mind, Torrey Smith got a thousand yard season with Flacco. He hasn't come anywhere close to doing that for the 49ers or Eagles. Boldin, Wallace, and SSS have still done very well with Flacco as well. In Wallace's case, he's done far better here than he did with the Dolphins.
More than likely, the Steelers are just far better at scouting WRs than the Ravens.
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
I get that but I bet you a 6 pack that Perriman, Wallace, Maclin, Moore, Camp all look as a competent unit if they practice and play games with Brees.
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
There was nothing sarcastic about it.
Sooky
MVP
Really because I disagree entirely. Wallace and Maclin maybe because they've been proven before but the amount of times Camp, Moore, and Perriman have awkwardly tried to attack the ball and drop a perfectly catchable ball is retarded.
Antonio brown is the bewt receiver in the league period. The fuck outta here with that shit comparing him to chris moore
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Well Wallace has done better with us than he did with 2 other teams over 3 seasons, and was distraught in those locker rooms while he loves this team and raves about joe, so this was already disproven.
Maclins injury bug continued here and he also seems to have stopped giving a fuck, idk what happened there. Fair play.
Camp can't stay on the field for more than a handful of snaps each week if we wanna keep him healthy. That doesn't improve with another qb.
Moore is gonna have balls bounce off his hands and go soaring into fucktown regardless of who's throwing it.
Same with Perriman, although other qbs may not give up on him so easily. But he's so mentally weak I can't imagine he finds redemption. Talent is absurd but he's a shit for brains with brick hands so again, I doubt it.
DeVito52
Ravens Ring of Honor
I’ll take Julio over AB.
Sooky
MVP
Same actually haha and two years ago even when Brown started taking off I wouldve taken AJ Green over Brown. But Green hasn't been the same and I guess the whole Bengals as a whole haven't. But Green doesn't seem as explosive after his last couple injuries.
Either way, to compare him to moore is ridiculous
DeVito52
Ravens Ring of Honor
I wish they would trade Green or something. His career is being wasted.
Sooky
MVP
Yeah that whole offense a couple years ago was feared as one of the most explosive with Green, Sanu, and Jones with their two talented running backs. Remember after Dalton's one or two good seasons people were saying he was a top 10 quarterback lmao. Now Sanu is one of the best #2s in Atlanta (even though their offense has changed this year and he gets less looks), Marvin Jones is a stud in Detroit, and now the whole Bengals offense is flat as long as they double AJ.
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
Nobody in the world can convince me that Breshad is this bad after 3 years if he was in New Orleans. Same goes for Thomas - if he ended a Raven, we'd be still crying for Ozzie to finally draft WR1.
dude... fair point on perriman and moore but come on now - camp has caught literally everything he just hasnt managed to stay on the field - the only thing ive ever seen camp drop was a punt towards the end of the year...
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Perriman could have been better elsewhere, sure, but he would still drop balls, play soft and unsure, and probably just be unreliable.
Anyone is gonna play better in the saints offense compared to the ravens, so this isn't really a fair argument, so yeah Thomas wouldn't be as good here, but Thomas would be the exact kinda guy joe does well with, big body, subtle but quality routes, and rock solid hands to reach and pluck the ball out of the air. He would've been just what the doctor ordered.
New top5 after more filmstudy + Senior Bowl:
1) Calvin Ridley - number one no questions asked
2) Deion Cain - MY guy. No one esle's. He's the complete package, and has that supreme confidence that makes you feel good about him.
3) Courtland Sutton - A lot of upside, a lot of question marks. I like him but I'm not convinced.
4) James Washington - Please James, please be there in the second. It's a matchup made in heaven. Can win in a lot of ways, works hard, makes plays.
5) Christian Kirk - he's a faller on my board. He's got some physical tools, and great work ethic, but not much else. Lacks some special traits to dominate.
1) Calvin Ridley - number one no questions asked
2) Deion Cain - MY guy. No one esle's. He's the complete package, and has that supreme confidence that makes you feel good about him.
3) Courtland Sutton - A lot of upside, a lot of question marks. I like him but I'm not convinced.
4) James Washington - Please James, please be there in the second. It's a matchup made in heaven. Can win in a lot of ways, works hard, makes plays.
5) Christian Kirk - he's a faller on my board. He's got some physical tools, and great work ethic, but not much else. Lacks some special traits to dominate.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Guess I'll do a top 5. Note, one of these guys does not have raw film anywhere that I can find, only highlights and a complete compilation of his latest season...
1. Calvin Ridley: refined, explosive, top speed, good enough size, great hands, total package who doesn't get his just due because of poor qb play and less than elite size.
2. Anthony miller: most explosive route runner in the class, best wr to work the sideline, most likely to make a spectacular/acrobatic grab, good elusiveness and surprising power in YAC.
3. Korey Robertson: this is the guy I haven't found film on, but his highlights show the best contested catch receiver in the class, and the best YAC guy as well, and it isn't close. He doesn't appear to be lacking with his routes as he appears to get separation with one strong cut at the top of his routes. His ability to adjust, attack, and pluck the ball are second to none, and he does a very good job and shielding off defenders to make a good safe body catch as well.
4. James Washington: he's growing on me but I still hesitate to place him this high, those long arms and strong frame that he uses to position himself to haul in catches is superb, he may have the best understanding of leverage in the class, as he chooses which side of the db he's gonna play on every snap and simply never gets rerouted, needs to play quicker and that's my big concern as I feel his route game takes a lot of setup, but if he can continue doing well to position himself to make the catch then the instant separation factor may not be much of a factor at all.
5. Michael Gallup: great build and a savvy and crafty receiver, also does great with positioning, leverage, and catching. Reminds me a lot of Michael Thomas, in comparison to Washington he's a better route runner and does well gaining separation by getting in close to the db and breaking away hard and fast, plucks the ball with strong hands catches, doesn't appear to be a great YAC threat and doesn't play as strong as Washington though.
St brown, Auden Tate, courtland Sutton, Christian Kirk, and cedrick Wilson are all guys I have pretty much tied at the next spot, I can't really make a call. I think Gallup and Robertson are highly underrated right now, Robertson may rise quickly but I don't see Gallup rising.
1. Calvin Ridley: refined, explosive, top speed, good enough size, great hands, total package who doesn't get his just due because of poor qb play and less than elite size.
2. Anthony miller: most explosive route runner in the class, best wr to work the sideline, most likely to make a spectacular/acrobatic grab, good elusiveness and surprising power in YAC.
3. Korey Robertson: this is the guy I haven't found film on, but his highlights show the best contested catch receiver in the class, and the best YAC guy as well, and it isn't close. He doesn't appear to be lacking with his routes as he appears to get separation with one strong cut at the top of his routes. His ability to adjust, attack, and pluck the ball are second to none, and he does a very good job and shielding off defenders to make a good safe body catch as well.
4. James Washington: he's growing on me but I still hesitate to place him this high, those long arms and strong frame that he uses to position himself to haul in catches is superb, he may have the best understanding of leverage in the class, as he chooses which side of the db he's gonna play on every snap and simply never gets rerouted, needs to play quicker and that's my big concern as I feel his route game takes a lot of setup, but if he can continue doing well to position himself to make the catch then the instant separation factor may not be much of a factor at all.
5. Michael Gallup: great build and a savvy and crafty receiver, also does great with positioning, leverage, and catching. Reminds me a lot of Michael Thomas, in comparison to Washington he's a better route runner and does well gaining separation by getting in close to the db and breaking away hard and fast, plucks the ball with strong hands catches, doesn't appear to be a great YAC threat and doesn't play as strong as Washington though.
St brown, Auden Tate, courtland Sutton, Christian Kirk, and cedrick Wilson are all guys I have pretty much tied at the next spot, I can't really make a call. I think Gallup and Robertson are highly underrated right now, Robertson may rise quickly but I don't see Gallup rising.