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Baltimore Orioles Discussion (2017 Season)

Congrats to Schoop for being selected to his first All-Star game!
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I think we have a chance at a playoff run... of course we'd need a crash of the Red Sox and the Yankees (a second 1) If Davis returns and gets on fire, we will just have to wait and see :)
 
God we just straight up suck don't we? We can't hit for shit but that doesn't matter if we allow 8 runs a game. That doesn't matter if we can't score more than 1 run. Endless cycle?
 
Okay, we are half done the season. Although I am usually an optimist, my question is when do the Ravens start?
 
Jacquouille said:
Wondering, how do you judge how good a player apart from his stats?

Like, apart from his stats you know Rodger is not human because he makes plays in clutch times and in extremely tough situations and completes pass in infinitely small windows.

You know Dixon is a huge talent despite average stats because each run goes much farther than it would have with another RB.

So how do you judge based on looking a guy play in baseball?
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I think in baseball, it's fair to judge them off of stats if you look at all stats in context. As in, don't just cherry pick one pretty stat and leave the rest out to dry.

In baseball, stats pretty much will tell you who's good and who's not. But you can always go deeper (BA, walks, OBP, walk%, SO%, hard contact, soft contact, ground ball%, etc for batters).

I actually thought of a good example. Last year, Justin Verlander came in second to Rick Porcello for the CY Young Award. Porcello had a W/L of like 22-4 or something absurd and the highest SO/W ratio in the AL.

However, Verlander topped Porcello in ERA, ER, R, SO (by like 75), WHIP, SO/9, and hits, despite facing like 20 more batters. He also topped Porcello in IP.

What makes it more impressive for Verlander is that he had an average run support of 2 runs per game from the Tigers (they scored 2 runs per game while he was in), whereas Porcello had an average run support that topped 7.

Why does that matter? When a pitcher is ahead, they can afford to expand the strike zone and pitch outside the zone knowing batters will more freely swing at pitches in the hopes of catching up. When a pitcher is behind, they have to really pitch to the strike zone because batters will be more patient and wait on pitches. This presents an issue because pitches in the strike zone are easier to generate hard contact against, usually.

So, while we'd expect that Porcello SHOULD have a better ERA, more SO's, and less hits against, the opposite was true and favored Verlander, and in the case of SO's, by a very wide margin.

I think voters got caught up in the ridiculous W/L and the SO/W and didn't take the time to understand WHY it was as good as it was.
 
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29BmoreBird22 said:
Not sure about Hays, but the other four, yes, they are very highly regarded.

Sorry for the ultra late reply.
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I've heard some good things about Hays and he has good numbers at Frederick.

Do you think Tanner Scott could also be one of those top prospects?
 
SepticeyePoe said:
I've heard some good things about Hays and he has good numbers at Frederick.

Do you think Tanner Scott could also be one of those top prospects?
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I think he's one of the players who comes in and has an unspectacular career. I wouldn't regard him as anything special.

He's what I would consider a "common" prospect.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
I think he's one of the players who comes in and has an unspectacular career. I wouldn't regard him as anything special.

He's what I would consider a "common" prospect.
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What makes you think that? I don't really know a lot about these guys except for some things that I've read.
 
SepticeyePoe said:
What makes you think that? I don't really know a lot about these guys except for some things that I've read.
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I'm in the same position- everything I've read. He just doesn't seem to be highly regarded, at all.

And you have to consider, as well, that most of these players who are going to be big stars and do well in the majors consistently dominate the minors. Think Chance Cisco and how the minors are essentially batting practice for him. He's using the minors right now to work on his defense, but I bet if he were called up right now, he'd be a very strong hitter.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
I'm in the same position- everything I've read. He just doesn't seem to be highly regarded, at all.

And you have to consider, as well, that most of these players who are going to be big stars and do well in the majors consistently dominate the minors. Think Chance Cisco and how the minors are essentially batting practice for him. He's using the minors right now to work on his defense, but I bet if he were called up right now, he'd be a very strong hitter.
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I had just heard that he could potentially be considered a starter or that he could potentially have an "Andrew Miller" type impact as a reliever with his 100 mph fastball.

I couldn't find the article that said he had Miller potential as a reliever, but this is something that I found interesting. http://www.masnsports.com/steve-mel...onsidering-tanner-scott-a-future-starter.html

He might not be become much in the majors, but he could be someone to keep an eye on.
 
Willbacker said:
The O's signed a defensive lineman?
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Well I would have guessed that meant we signed DeAngelo Hall to go intercept Home Run Balls and invent the term Pick Home Runs returned for a Run!(Or Runs depending how many players were on base at the time lol)
 
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