Fire Dean Pees Thread

[Oldfaithful]

Hmmm. Biggest detriment to this game. We were blitzing and still couldn’t apply any fucking pressure whatsoever. Admittantly the Steelers have a good oline so that helps but Pees didn’t go soft on us.... we simply got beat by a better team.

There’s plenty I hate about Dean but this game isn’t entirely on him. Denying that is just denial of facts really. We failed to put pressure on the QB despite blitzing a significant amount. That’s not Pees problem.

 

[RL52TheGreatest]

Hmmm. Biggest detriment to this game. We were blitzing and still couldn’t apply any fucking pressure whatsoever. Admittantly the Steelers have a good oline so that helps but Pees didn’t go soft on us.... we simply got beat by a better team.

There’s plenty I hate about Dean but this game isn’t entirely on him. Denying that is just denial of facts really. We failed to put pressure on the QB despite blitzing a significant amount. That’s not Pees problem.

Not trying to make any excuses for our piss-poor pass rush, but did the Steelers even get called for one holding penalty all game? I felt like they were holding Suggs on multiple plays yet weren't called for anything.

Pees shouldn't get the entire blame, but when Carr is getting torched all game, adjustments NEED to be made and they definitely weren't.

 

[DeVito52]

Not trying to make any excuses for our piss-poor pass rush, but did the Steelers even get called for one holding penalty all game? I felt like they were holding Suggs on multiple plays yet weren't called for anything.

Pees shouldn't get the entire blame, but when Carr is getting torched all game, adjustments NEED to be made and they definitely weren't.

The Steelers Oline holds significantly more than anyone else in the league and it’s maddening. Nothing pisses me off more than seeing them get away with obvious holds every single drive.

 

[JO_75]

This was the first lead we blew in the 4th qtr this season. Actually only the 2nd lead we have blown all season. The last being a 3pt lead

Super Bowl 47 - Up 28-6, then foud ourselves having to stop a game winning drive in the final seconds.

2014 - Divisional Round against NE. Blew TWO 14 point leads.

2016 - Christmas Heart Break via AB's reach.

Pees has made Flacco look bad by blowing leads and taking away the credit Flacco deserves for making what should have been game winning drives.

Also see this article here covering how many blown leads we have had under Pees. Been going on since we hired him.

https://russellstreetreport.com/2015/10/13/street-talk/the-dean-pees-horrow-story/

 

[RavensMania]

I hope it's true that he is going to retire. We need fresh blood and if Pagano is gone in Indy, I'd give Ted Monochino a call. I doubt Pagano wants to be a DC again. Think he'd just retire or take a year off.

 

[redrum52]

Super Bowl 47 - Up 28-6, then foud ourselves having to stop a game winning drive in the final seconds.

2014 - Divisional Round against NE. Blew TWO 14 point leads.

2016 - Christmas Heart Break via AB's reach.

Pees has made Flacco look bad by blowing leads and taking away the credit Flacco deserves for making what should have been game winning drives.

Also see this article here covering how many blown leads we have had under Pees. Been going on since we hired him.

https://russellstreetreport.com/2015/10/13/street-talk/the-dean-pees-horrow-story/

It's funny that the one game we don't lose we have a healthy Jimmy(questionable call or not).

14 He actually had a great pass rush and NO secondary. I'm not blaming Pees when once again corners are getting burned and the best coach of all time makes adjustments.

16 is exactly what happened last night. No pass rush, bad coverage and poor tackling at bad times. The only thing you can blame Pees for last night is not doubling Brown, but if I'm right they lined up Bryant next to Brown and the Steelers are actually good at creating mismatches because of all the weapons they have. It's funny because first it's he's not aggressive, then it's he needs to play back? Which one is it people? I'm all for a new DC, but who is there to replace him?

@DeVito52 Cowboys and Steelers are up there in the holding HoF. It's disgusting what these teams get away with on the OL. Especially with the pressure we send and the fact the put the ball in the air over 60 times. How many times was holding called?

 

[redrum52]

I have a gameplan as well for next year. Don't play Jimmy until December. He should hopefully be able to make it thru the month and into playoffs for a run cause he sure as hell can't make it thru a full season anymore.

 

[OURavensFan]

Don’t stop at the lack of holding, Antonio Brown pushes off every god damn play

 

[Oldfaithful]

Super Bowl 47 - Up 28-6, then foud ourselves having to stop a game winning drive in the final seconds.

2014 - Divisional Round against NE. Blew TWO 14 point leads.

2016 - Christmas Heart Break via AB's reach.

Pees has made Flacco look bad by blowing leads and taking away the credit Flacco deserves for making what should have been game winning drives.

Also see this article here covering how many blown leads we have had under Pees. Been going on since we hired him.

https://russellstreetreport.com/2015/10/13/street-talk/the-dean-pees-horrow-story/

Super Bowl 47: Ngata goes down and we don't have any other good defensive lineman that year and the niners begin a resurgent comeback after the lights go out, effectively killing any of our momentum. Lights don't go out, we blow them out. But we won, so your point is invalid. Not to mention we effectively contained Tom Brady and Peyton Manning in the postseason with our defense that season... Nice try though

2014: Down Jimmy Smith. Literally had people signed off the street playing in our secondary. Going against an all time great in Brady, who lives for this shit. Defense was actually solid in applying pressure for most of the game. If Jimmy is there: We win not only that game, but probably the super bowl as well.

2016: Jimmy was gone. Pass rush was even worse last year than it was this year. Offense also played far worse last year than it did this year. "But Pees blew it". Once again, just like yesterday, Pees did NOT go vanilla at all. He was blitzing at the appropriate moments and the Steelers shut us down. Not Pees' fault at all. No matter how you spin it.

Sad thing is... There's plenty to criticize Dean on. Those games are not on him.

Not trying to make any excuses for our piss-poor pass rush, but did the Steelers even get called for one holding penalty all game? I felt like they were holding Suggs on multiple plays yet weren't called for anything.

Pees shouldn't get the entire blame, but when Carr is getting torched all game, adjustments NEED to be made and they definitely weren't.

Problem with the Steelers offense is, shifting more attention towards Antonio Brown's direction only opens the door for Haley to kick our ass with Bell or any of the other WRs that they have. That offense is a pick your poison offense. Doubling is just gonna open up someone else who is a threat. Only person we could really shut down was Ben, especially to help mask our now weakness at corner. We failed to that despite trying.

I mean, I'd rather have a Pagano and do hope Pees retires, but he's hardly to blame for our problems both last night and throughout the game.

 

[Oldfaithful]

I have a gameplan as well for next year. Don't play Jimmy until December. He should hopefully be able to make it thru the month and into playoffs for a run cause he sure as hell can't make it thru a full season anymore.

Ah, the Clayton Kershaw Dave Roberts approach. I like it. Let's do it and ever look back. He is "injured" throughout the first few months of the season. Genius

 

[RL52TheGreatest]

Problem with the Steelers offense is, shifting more attention towards Antonio Brown's direction only opens the door for Haley to kick our ass with Bell or any of the other WRs that they have. That offense is a pick your poison offense. Doubling is just gonna open up someone else who is a threat. Only person we could really shut down was Ben, especially to help mask our now weakness at corner. We failed to that despite trying.

I mean, I'd rather have a Pagano and do hope Pees retires, but he's hardly to blame for our problems both last night and throughout the game.

I get that it's gonna open up someone else, but when a guy gets over 200 yds by himself, I think I'll take my poison elsewhere. Either double Brown or have Humph shadow him, in which case he wouldn't need to be doubled because Humph was actually sticking with Brown for the most part. Instead, Pees basically just let Carr get slaughtered all game.

 

[allblackraven]

Nah, I'm not buying excuses for Pees any longer. This same shit is happening far too long now, with different personnel, that seems to be always lined up 5 yards back from where they should be in prevent defense. Why we never have a linebacker sitting on the passing lane in front of receiver instead of blitzing (when DB is blitzing already), leaving huge space in the middle, so Ben can check down his way for 70-80 yard drive? Can we not try Canady or Webb on AB after it became evident Carr has as much hope of defending him as I would? What's the worst that could have happened? Can we not bring help to the side where AB is rather than forcing help on Humphrey's side, no matter what?

 

[Oldfaithful]

I get that it's gonna open up someone else, but when a guy gets over 200 yds by himself, I think I'll take my poison elsewhere. Either double Brown or have Humph shadow him, in which case he wouldn't need to be doubled because Humph was actually sticking with Brown for the most part. Instead, Pees basically just let Carr get slaughtered all game.

Even Jimmy doesn't necessarily shadow at all times. And that's just opening the door for Ben to kill us deep with Bryant or for Bell to kick our ass.

The outcome would have likely been similar is my point here.

 

[allblackraven]

Oh - it kind of gets missed in the meltdown like this but does John Harbaugh have any say on what play offense should call on 1st down while we have a lead with 3 minutes to go, gassed defense from the previous Steelers drive and a running game that worked really well for 57 minutes? Or maybe he also thought that what Marty called was a great idea? Do they watch what's going on in the game or that was predetermined in meeting rooms before the game?

I am so pissed off. This one feels 100 times worse than that embarrassment in London.

 

[Militant X 1]

I am so pissed off. This one feels 100 times worse than that embarrassment in London.

I'm so livid!

I got friends who are both steelers and cowboys fans texting me like crazy last night and today. Last night, THE MOMENT that the Ravens defense couldn't get no pass rush and started collapsing and cowered down to Big Ben and Brown and blew that lead, they started texting and sending me laughing emoji's and other insulting memes about the Ravens all night and constantly throughout today! Now, the Ravens have to win out and to be honest....I can actually see them dropping any one of those games to their last 3 opponents.

I'm a Ravens man for life BUT I'm so sick of this damn 2016-2017 team man!

 

[RL52TheGreatest]

Even Jimmy doesn't necessarily shadow at all times. And that's just opening the door for Ben to kill us deep with Bryant or for Bell to kick our ass.

The outcome would have likely been similar is my point here.

At least it would have forced another player to step up because, clearly, Brown was on absolute fire last night. We were already doing a decent enough job of stopping Bell (plus, he was hobbled a bit by the Jefferson hit) so we could have let Bryant try to beat us instead. Makes more sense than letting Brown do whatever he wants all game because we're unwilling to make adjustments or try anything else that could potentially pan out.

 

[Willbacker]

He did. No one got home and no one covered. People need to stop with this bs about him not being aggressive. That's not why the defense didn't work.

You're not being aggressive when you play soft jelly zone D which is exactly what they did on their last TD drive. Collinsworth himself said they checked down all the way down the field. We was giving yardage up in chunks with way too much time on the clock. Its not about the blitzes thruout the game but what you call at the end with a lead.

 

[RavensMania]

Don’t stop at the lack of holding, Antonio Brown pushes off every god damn play

holding, what's that????

 

[JO_75]

Super Bowl 47: Ngata goes down and we don't have any other good defensive lineman that year and the niners begin a resurgent comeback after the lights go out, effectively killing any of our momentum. Lights don't go out, we blow them out. But we won, so your point is invalid. Not to mention we effectively contained Tom Brady and Peyton Manning in the postseason with our defense that season... Nice try though

2014: Down Jimmy Smith. Literally had people signed off the street playing in our secondary. Going against an all time great in Brady, who lives for this shit. Defense was actually solid in applying pressure for most of the game. If Jimmy is there: We win not only that game, but probably the super bowl as well.

2016: Jimmy was gone. Pass rush was even worse last year than it was this year. Offense also played far worse last year than it did this year. "But Pees blew it". Once again, just like yesterday, Pees did NOT go vanilla at all. He was blitzing at the appropriate moments and the Steelers shut us down. Not Pees' fault at all. No matter how you spin it.

Sad thing is... There's plenty to criticize Dean on. Those games are not on him.

Problem with the Steelers offense is, shifting more attention towards Antonio Brown's direction only opens the door for Haley to kick our ass with Bell or any of the other WRs that they have. That offense is a pick your poison offense. Doubling is just gonna open up someone else who is a threat. Only person we could really shut down was Ben, especially to help mask our now weakness at corner. We failed to that despite trying.

I mean, I'd rather have a Pagano and do hope Pees retires, but he's hardly to blame for our problems both last night and throughout the game.

Yes we've had a lot of injuries that have contributed to some of the defenses problems. Yet despite those injuries to key players, we still are very competitive and can still win games. Injuries are no longer an excuse for Dean anymore, we see players leave in FA for more money, add new ones and still blow 4th quarter leads? Our defense is doing something right if we are having double digits leads at some point during any game. Then the 4th quarter hits and we blow the lead which at that point is not a injury issue or a player issue, it's a scheme issue. You can't even use Jimmy Smith's injury in 2014 for the loss against the Pats because obviously without Jimmy the D was doing good enough to have 2 14 point leads in the game. Despite Jimmy being gone against Pittsburgh last year and last night, we still were containing them enough to have leads.

Also mind you we finished 8-8 in 2013, the Chargers made the playoffs at 9-7. We blew a lead against the Bears lost 23-20. We also had a lead against the Packers that we blew as well. That's 10-6 and in the playoffs in 2013 or even beating the Bears at 9-7 and having the tiebreaker over the Chargers to get in as the 6th seed.

 

[redrum52]

You're not being aggressive when you play soft jelly zone D which is exactly what they did on their last TD drive. Collinsworth himself said they checked down all the way down the field. We was giving yardage up in chunks with way too much time on the clock. Its not about the blitzes thruout the game but what you call at the end with a lead.

Aggressiveness was not the problem last night. "Soft" zone wasn't either. The CBS played up on their guy a lot of the night. That's part of why Brown took Carr behind the shed. I'm pretty sure to start the fg drive pressure was sent the first 3 downs. He called blitzes all throughout.