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The OL Thread

Ravensnation5220 said:
He was just over powered everytime. Everyone just decided to bull rush him and he couldnt anchor.

Watch the tape vs Vtech i posted. Literally did not lose one rep. At least in pass pro.
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like he looks ok but im 1:40 into that vid and ive seen him "lose" twice - one of which was in pass pro where an interior lineman had to help out and save him, the other he couldnt affect his block which forced a jet sweep to be dead in the water

ive just watched the next few plays - he's getting consistently destroyed in the run game (looks like not a great anchor, not great pad level and bad overall technique and his feet look slow and heavy in the passing game

he looks good getting to the 2nd level and making blocks in level 2 he does really well finding blocks but he doesnt look comfortable vs the bull or any inside moves - that being said he really doesnt look like he wants to finish his blocks and gives up a lot on plays when they go the other way

he's also pretty decent when he initiates contact away from his body and can disrupt the rush

it's a weird dichotomy to see in a guy that he does well in level 2 but also gives up on plays that go the other way...

he's also not great at identifying the block he's supposed to make - at 4:05 in the clip in a fairly critical situation he lets the guy right in front of him have a completely unimpeded path to his qb while he decides to take responsibility for the blitzer from the slot causing the qb to scamper around and essentially leads to time expiring...

TL;DR

I guess my summary looks a little like this so far:
Pros:
  • Great in the 2nd level and his nice speed helps him to find blocks in level 2 and is able to make blocks on the outside (although he is liable to not get his hands in the right position which either leaves him missing a block on a wide play or i imagine he may see a lot of holding calls in the nfl)
  • His long arms make him good when he does get his hands inside and initiates contact although id prefer him to generate a more powerful punch

Cons:
  • He's severely underpowered at the position - he rarely gets any push at the point of attack in the run game partly due to his seemingly less than strong upper body and his ploddy feet
  • He also doesnt have a strong anchor and often has a really narrow base - which means that his kickstep is often slow and despite his athleticism he's actually often slow to move laterally and when changing direction - i can see him being really taken advantage of in the nfl because even if he adds weight to his frame his base is no good and he will still be susceptible to the bull rush and if he leans into the bull rush an nfl pass rusher is gonna take advantage of that lean and spin/rip inside where his lack of agility will force him to either hold or get beaten
  • He doesnt identify blocks at the line of scrimmage particularly well
  • He gives up on plays that are going the other way far too early and just walks around in the backfield - it bites him when the qb scrambles and reverses field or when the ball takes longer than usual to come out of the qb's hands (this is less of an issue in the nfl because the ball generally comes out quicker although he'll need a severe attitude change in this respect if he ends up on the seahawks or any other team with a scrambly qb
Looking at his tape im actually surprised he didnt make use of his extra year of eligibility and stay in school because this guy looks like he's gonna seriously struggle to start day 1 at the moment - his technique is genuinely awful and im not sure it gets fixed in just one training camp

He has huge upside of course because of his height, arm length and general athleticism and a team may well fall in love with him but personally I hope the Ravens have, at best, a mid-late day 2 grade on him...
 
rossihunter2 said:
like he looks ok but im 1:40 into that vid and ive seen him "lose" twice - one of which was in pass pro where an interior lineman had to help out and save him, the other he couldnt affect his block which forced a jet sweep to be dead in the water

ive just watched the next few plays - he's getting consistently destroyed in the run game (looks like not a great anchor, not great pad level and bad overall technique and his feet look slow and heavy in the passing game

he looks good getting to the 2nd level and making blocks in level 2 he does really well finding blocks but he doesnt look comfortable vs the bull or any inside moves - that being said he really doesnt look like he wants to finish his blocks and gives up a lot on plays when they go the other way

he's also pretty decent when he initiates contact away from his body and can disrupt the rush

it's a weird dichotomy to see in a guy that he does well in level 2 but also gives up on plays that go the other way...

he's also not great at identifying the block he's supposed to make - at 4:05 in the clip in a fairly critical situation he lets the guy right in front of him have a completely unimpeded path to his qb while he decides to take responsibility for the blitzer from the slot causing the qb to scamper around and essentially leads to time expiring...

TL;DR

I guess my summary looks a little like this so far:
Pros:
  • Great in the 2nd level and his nice speed helps him to find blocks in level 2 and is able to make blocks on the outside (although he is liable to not get his hands in the right position which either leaves him missing a block on a wide play or i imagine he may see a lot of holding calls in the nfl)
  • His long arms make him good when he does get his hands inside and initiates contact although id prefer him to generate a more powerful punch

Cons:
  • He's severely underpowered at the position - he rarely gets any push at the point of attack in the run game partly due to his seemingly less than strong upper body and his ploddy feet
  • He also doesnt have a strong anchor and often has a really narrow base - which means that his kickstep is often slow and despite his athleticism he's actually often slow to move laterally and when changing direction - i can see him being really taken advantage of in the nfl because even if he adds weight to his frame his base is no good and he will still be susceptible to the bull rush and if he leans into the bull rush an nfl pass rusher is gonna take advantage of that lean and spin/rip inside where his lack of agility will force him to either hold or get beaten
  • He doesnt identify blocks at the line of scrimmage particularly well
  • He gives up on plays that are going the other way far too early and just walks around in the backfield - it bites him when the qb scrambles and reverses field or when the ball takes longer than usual to come out of the qb's hands (this is less of an issue in the nfl because the ball generally comes out quicker although he'll need a severe attitude change in this respect if he ends up on the seahawks or any other team with a scrambly qb
Looking at his tape im actually surprised he didnt make use of his extra year of eligibility and stay in school because this guy looks like he's gonna seriously struggle to start day 1 at the moment - his technique is genuinely awful and im not sure it gets fixed in just one training camp

He has huge upside of course because of his height, arm length and general athleticism and a team may well fall in love with him but personally I hope the Ravens have, at best, a mid-late day 2 grade on him...
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I like what you have to say but i think he has better technique in the pass game than you give him credit for. He never gets beat outside in does a nice job recovering when getting beaten inside. His run blocking isnt bad. He just walls off and doesnt generate much push (kinda how stanley looked). Sounds like your hoping hed be a mauler? Which is not his game really. He may have that mentality but he has no functional strength to show it
 
Ravensnation5220 said:
I like what you have to say but i think he has better technique in the pass game than you give him credit for. He never gets beat outside in does a nice job recovering when getting beaten inside. His run blocking isnt bad. He just walls off and doesnt generate much push (kinda how stanley looked). Sounds like your hoping hed be a mauler? Which is not his game really. He may have that mentality but he has no functional strength to show it
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I don’t need him to be a mauler but I need him to not lose at the point of attack - walling off is fine as long as it’s a consistent success and he finishes the block - but I don’t see that tbh - I see a lot of him in his own backfield - I think it’s telling that I saw them run an unbalanced line with him outside the right tackle and they ran to the weak side...

I know you say he can add 15 lbs without losing his athleticism but do you think that adding weight is going to be enough to create enough functional strength to not be a liability in the nfl? I’m not sure I see him able to do that stuff in year 1 - maybe a year or 2 in an nfl weight program where he improves he adds strength to both his upper and lower body and gets retaught a lot of his technique he could fulfill his upside - I’m not saying he’s a bad prospect at all - he has a really high ceiling but I think he’s a project with a really low floor and for me that doesn’t justify a round 1 grade (or even a round 2 grade tbh)

Pass blocking you’re right he’s better at it but I do worry about how he gets beaten inside - he’s got lucky with interior linemen being able to help him out a few times (rather than outright recovering himself) and in the nfl I think that translates into a fair few holding calls (or worse it’ll equal clean shots up the middle at the qb)

I think so many of his issues could be cleaned up by being retaught his footwork and technique so that he creates a wider base - I think innately resetting him so that he naturally widens his base will allow him to move laterally better and with a better anchor, have a stronger and wider kick step (I wonder if part of his problems getting beaten inside is that he often has to work harder to get to the outside and so his momentum stops him from changing directions well - it’s almost like he overpursues because his feet are so narrow and his kick step is ineffective - essentially he’s under pressure before the snap every pass set but is able to recover against the outside rush through athleticism)

I think maybe in first viewing I underrated his athleticism a bit - but all that’s done ironically is suggested to me that his technique is hideous

By all means I’d be happy to have him in Baltimore but not for a first rounder - and probably not for our second round pick either
 
So who’s a better RT prospect out of the 3 big names? Connor Williams, Orlando brown jr, or mike mcglinchey?
 
RavensMania said:
In this order
McGlinchey, Brown, Williams
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Some say Williams is the most talented though (at least his 2016 film). I do worry about Mcglinchey's inconsistemcies on tape especially late in games. Brown i worry is just too big....he has terrible footwork and really just relies on his size and length. Hes pretty slow but he is strong as hell.
 
Ravensnation5220 said:
Some say Williams is the most talented though (at least his 2016 film). I do worry about Mcglinchey's inconsistemcies on tape especially late in games. Brown i worry is just too big....he has terrible footwork and really just relies on his size and length. Hes pretty slow but he is strong as hell.
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I like McGlinchey better than Williams but wouldn’t mind either. That being said a trade back opportunity could be available, but I wouldn’t trade back if I didn’t receive good value.
 
RavensMania said:
I like McGlinchey better than Williams but wouldn’t mind either. That being said a trade back opportunity could be available, but I wouldn’t trade back if I didn’t receive good value.
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I think people are undervaluing these tackles right now. They’re going to go a lot higher than people may think. Wouldn’t be surprised if all three (Williams, Brown, and McGlinchey) are off the board
 
Justdewinit20 said:
I think people are undervaluing these tackles right now. They’re going to go a lot higher than people may think. Wouldn’t be surprised if all three (Williams, Brown, and McGlinchey) are off the board
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That just means other talents fall to us. I keep thinking who might fall to us, the only ones I would be happy with that has a chance is Ridley, Derwin James, or guice. If they don’t fall, it’s probably going to be a RT.
 
Davesta said:
That just means other talents fall to us. I keep thinking who might fall to us, the only ones I would be happy with that has a chance is Ridley, Derwin James, or guice. If they don’t fall, it’s probably going to be a RT.
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From those three I can see Derwin fall. He had that knee injury in 2016 teams will be scared of and is mostly an in the box type of player. If he can have that Landon Collins type of impact I’m all for it.
 
Justdewinit20 said:
From those three I can see Derwin fall. He had that knee injury in 2016 teams will be scared of and is mostly an in the box type of player. If he can have that Landon Collins type of impact I’m all for it.
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I don't think Derwin falls. He'll have his hype train take off after the combine and will end up top10 imo. I'd fucking love him here though.
 
Isaiah Wynn is a better Oline prospect than MCGlinchey or Orlando Brown. If your going with best player available and you have those three on the board, I don't think it's all that close.
 
Justdewinit20 said:
I think people are undervaluing these tackles right now. They’re going to go a lot higher than people may think. Wouldn’t be surprised if all three (Williams, Brown, and McGlinchey) are off the board
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All them dudes come with serious bust risk!! If Scherff couldn’t handle tackle then how is Williams playing there?? Brown would be a round2 to 3 pick most drafts. He is as a sloppy and awkward as it gets!! And McGlinchey if he could get stronger and put on 20lbs of muscle he would be the best of this bunch. It wouldn’t even be debated. But he is underpowered for now. But if you are confident you could somehow sneak 20lbs of muscle on him he would be a pro bowler.


Edgar said:
Isaiah Wynn is a better Oline prospect than MCGlinchey or Orlando Brown. If your going with best player available and you have those three on the board, I don't think it's all that close.
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I agree Wynn is better than any of them. Wynn is only barely 6’3 if that but has long arms and everything else you look for. He could play tackle center and guard. But center is more than likely his best spot. But he can play Right Tackle and do it very well.
 
Sledge Hammer said:
I agree Wynn is better than any of them. Wynn is only barely 6’3 if that but has long arms and everything else you look for. He could play tackle center and guard. But center is more than likely his best spot. But he can play Right Tackle and do it very well.
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If the Ravens got him, he'd probably go to guard.
 
RaineV1 said:
If the Ravens got him, he'd probably go to guard.
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him next to ronnie stanley would be fun in the run game either pulling across the line/pulling 1 gap outside ronnie to spring collins outside the tackles or just straight up using his athleticism to drive his guy back
 
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