Fire Marty

[29BmoreBird22]

Cutting that many players along with some restructures on defense could make enough room to cut Flacco. However, I’d be more comfortable giving him another year with an offensive coordinator that knows what he is doing. Is he going to fix Flacco’s mechanics. No, but he could get more out of him like Kubiak did back in 2014. That’s what we need. Flacco’s got some major flaws to his game without question, but so do the players around him. Flacco isn’t a qb that makes the p,Ayers around him better, like Brady and Rodgers. He needs weapons.

The issue I have with this idea that a new coordinator or better weapons would help is that Flacco hasn't shown consistent accuracy, good ball placement, or good decision making to have me think that any of this is true.

Sure, a jump ball receiver like AJ Green or a receiver who can run the length of the field in the blink of an eye like DeSean Jackson probably helps, but Flacco has too many flaws for me to actually believe there's any real hope.

 

[JAAM]

If Flacco were to retire after this season, are we off the hook with his cap?

 

[Rusfan]

If Flacco were to retire after this season, are we off the hook with his cap?

 

[Adreme]

If Flacco were to retire after this season, are we off the hook with his cap?

First off to answer questoon, No. Your cap hit is not what you are getting paid, that would be salary and Flaccos salary was about 1/4 his cap hit. The rest in simple terms was already paid money spread out over the course of the contract to lower the cap hit in the early years (his first 3 years were 6m 14m 14m).

 

[JAAM]

First off to answer questoon, No. Your cap hit is not what you are getting paid, that would be salary and Flaccos salary was about 1/4 his cap hit. The rest in simple terms was already paid money spread out over the course of the contract to lower the cap hit in the early years (his first 3 years were 6m 14m 14m).

Thank you

 

[allblackraven]

First off to answer questoon, No. Your cap hit is not what you are getting paid, that would be salary and Flaccos salary was about 1/4 his cap hit. The rest in simple terms was already paid money spread out over the course of the contract to lower the cap hit in the early years (his first 3 years were 6m 14m 14m).

Correct. At the end of this season, all guaranteed money will have been paid (original big contract and the extension) but we are on the hook for prorated stuff that counts on team's salary cap. In Flacco's case it's $28.75 million for 2018.
At this rate, it's going to be roughly a million and a half per INT.

 

[RavensMania]

If Flacco were to retire after this season, are we off the hook with his cap?

He would have to pay back some of his guaranteed money.

 

[Dom McRaven]

I don't know if Fuente has a reason to leave to become an OC in the NFL, but he's exciting. I think what makes Fuente so great is that he is unpredictable. Out of one formation, we might see literally 20 different run plays or play action plays. There is no telling what Fuente will run because he is so unpredictable with his formations.

He's a big user of pre-snap motions for the purpose of jet sweeps and fakes like that, but overall, his offense is really simple. It doesn't use a ton of personnel groupings or a ton of different pre snap motions to confuse the defense. He just lines up and basically runs the play. Problem is, you never know which play.

He's similar to Chip Kelly. He likes to be up tempo and he likes to attack the defense vertically with the spread. Get them moving sideline to sideline and create a lot of space before you go attack them vertically.

Offensively, he might call the exact same formation twice and give the exact same look twice, but you'll get two different plays. On one play, you'll get a bubble screen. Then, he'll give that same look again, but this time the blocking wide receiver will fake the block and slip upfield after the defenders have committed downfield for a long gain. You just never know what's coming with him.

The Ravens will have to improve as a screen team. Better blocking wide receivers and guards. Running back and wide receiver screens are a decent staple in this offense with how spread out the defense gets.

In case anyone was wondering about Fuente's offense. I'm not really familiar with Mullens.

Let me set a disclaimer by saying I omitted certain portions of your post. That being said, THIS is my kind of guy. LOVE the fact that he can run many different plays from one specific formation. Flacco has said many times that he likes the up-tempo game and we were using that against the Dolphins. It was actually why he was able to get that nice TD to Maclin because it was a free play due to their defense having too many on the field.

Lewis I want to see more of before I make any calls on. Boyle isn't special to me. I'd keep Maxx if I were keeping Boyle.

I think Boyle is solid tbh. To me, I don't trust Maxx at all even though he looked okay against TEN. I fear the next time he gets hurt....will he be out for multiple games?

The worst part about Marty is that even the players can see how awful he is. I think we've all scene the numerous times players were screaming at him or throwing helmets or some such.

And YET he is still a member of this organization. I just can't fathom this. This was my last straw with Harbaugh as I feel he needs to go. I will always be thankful for the 2012 season, but "what have you done for me lately?" I think it's time for a new voice.

 

[Deebo813]

How can you blame the OC when you have one of the worst qbs in the lg! Im not saying marty is a good nor bad OC but our qb sucks. He has been through 4 OCs. I think its time for people realize whats going on here. Falcons, now they maybe having OC problems. Big drop off since kyle left.

 

[JAAM]

I’m not sure why we still care about continuity with an OC for a 10 year vet at QB. Get the best guy possible for the job (Kubiak), and put your pride aside and quit being butt buddies with Marty. Hope the friendship is worth losing your job over.

 

[RL52TheGreatest]

I’m not sure why we still care about continuity with an OC for a 10 year vet at QB. Get the best guy possible for the job (Kubiak), and put your pride aside and quit being butt buddies with Marty. Hope the friendship is worth losing your job over.

Yeah, I don't care if we get an OC and he leaves after a year or two; just get someone who can be creative and do the damn job for however long he's here. If anything, this helps us find the best OC possible for the job because if you can make Flacco look good again then you probably deserve a promotion elsewhere.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

“You can point to a lot of factors as to why [the Ravens] offense has struggled, but one of [them] comes down to the philosophy. I’m completely against the fact that you should go in thinking we should play conservative football and play to our strengths which is our defense. I think you have to go in with the mindset that ‘we’re going to put up as many points as we possibly can’ and create big plays, and that’s how you have to approach it.

“So, hopefully they can be more aggressive offensively moving forward and take some shots downfield. But right now, Joe has one read and he’s got to check it down if it’s not there and that’s really the offense that they have set up for him. It’s difficult to play quarterback under those circumstances.”

That's a quote from Dennis Pitta.

The question now becomes this- is Marty truly this inept or is the offense dumbed down for Joe because he can't do a more complex offense?

 

[PurpleGecko]

I understand the worry about the constant revolving door of coordinators and how that affects continuity but if the system clearly isn't working then there shouldn't be any indication that it will magically work one day.
We need an OC that can work with Joe's strengths and the personnel's point blank.

 

[RaineV1]

How can you blame the OC when you have one of the worst qbs in the lg! Im not saying marty is a good nor bad OC but our qb sucks. He has been through 4 OCs. I think its time for people realize whats going on here. Falcons, now they maybe having OC problems. Big drop off since kyle left.

When the OC repeatadly abanded the run despite it working, and asked said bad QB to throw fifty times, then maybe he's a bad OC. Only reason we're running the ball now is because of Roman. Also, Flacco has had far more success with other OCs than he has with Marty. He had moments with Cam (who let's be honest, isn't a good OC, he was medoicre at best and firing him won us a Super Bowl), had a great streak with Caldwell, and did amazing with Kubiak. It's really only been Trestman and Marty that caused us to reach rock bottom on offense.

And let's not try to rewrite history when it comes to our OCs. Cam got fired from LSU fro being god awful after he left here, and Trestman has a long track record of horrible second seasons leading to him being fired. And Trestman was trying to throw the ball fifty times a game while he was here. Granted, Marty isn't much better in that regard.

“You can point to a lot of factors as to why [the Ravens] offense has struggled, but one of [them] comes down to the philosophy. I’m completely against the fact that you should go in thinking we should play conservative football and play to our strengths which is our defense. I think you have to go in with the mindset that ‘we’re going to put up as many points as we possibly can’ and create big plays, and that’s how you have to approach it.

“So, hopefully they can be more aggressive offensively moving forward and take some shots downfield. But right now, Joe has one read and he’s got to check it down if it’s not there and that’s really the offense that they have set up for him. It’s difficult to play quarterback under those circumstances.”

That's a quote from Dennis Pitta.

The question now becomes this- is Marty truly this inept or is the offense dumbed down for Joe because he can't do a more complex offense?

I doubt Marty's offense is more complex than Kubiak's, Cam's, or Caldwell's. And we've seen Joe have success with up tempo and no huddle offenses before, which seem more complex than anything I've seen from Marty.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

I doubt Marty's offense is more complex than Kubiak's, Cam's, or Caldwell's. And we've seen Joe have success with up tempo and no huddle offenses before, which seem more complex than anything I've seen from Marty.

Complex in the sense of whether or not we can trust him to go through all his progressions or work with option routes. Can we? I'm not sure.

 

[PurpleGecko]

Complex in the sense of whether or not we can trust him to go through all his progressions or work with option routes. Can we? I'm not sure.

Surely any alternative is better than Marty ball. Joe has to play better obviously but a competent OC could fix him. I don't see Joe as a lost cause yet.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Surely any alternative is better than Marty ball. Joe has to play better obviously but a competent OC could fix him. I don't see Joe as a lost cause yet.

The general consensus on the old boards was that Marty was a competent OC and many people were very excited because of the work he did with the Eagles.

We can't keep changing the narrative when it doesn't work out the way we want.

 

[RaineV1]

The general consensus on the old boards was that Marty was a competent OC and many people were very excited because of the work he did with the Eagles.

We can't keep changing the narrative when it doesn't work out the way we want.

Those early beliefs came before we actually saw his playcalling first hand, and only looked up basic statistics on his past offenses.

 

[allblackraven]

Complex in the sense of whether or not we can trust him to go through all his progressions or work with option routes. Can we? I'm not sure.

Me neither. Going through reads takes time and more often than not quarterback needs to buy some time to let all that unfold. Flacco isn't that kind of quarterback. Another issue is his accuracy. It's easy for Marvin Jones to make so many great catches in GB when every freaking ball is going right at his facemask. Doubt he'd make that many in Baltimore.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Those early beliefs came before we actually saw his playcalling first hand, and only looked up basic statistics on his past offenses.

I think it'd be naive to say that no one watched the Eagles during the Marty years; many people DO watch other teams.