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Fire Marty

RavensDFan said:
Who is talking about spending? The bulk of that cap hit is your QB, not your offense in general. I'm talking about drafting other than below the 3rd round. I'm talking about perhaps once trading up in the first for a quality WR instead of using patchwork tactics over and over and over. Nine times out of 10 those so-called proven vets turn out to be over and done and/or retire the next season. Wallace is a one trick pony. Always was and always will be. Maclin signing I actually liked, and still do if he can prove he isn't now made of glass. If we'd spent any time on the offense we'd have quality receiving options that aren't on their last legs and actually have chemistry with Flacco.



lol @ the cap . That is always the go to isn't it? The proof is in the pudding, or in this case, drafting. It's obvious and trying to use the cap to disprove it is ridiculous when the bulk of that cap goes to the QB. That hardly proves we put any thought or love into the offense. Not to mention of course we spend more of the cap on offense because we DRAFT DEFENSE. so they are not paid like the patchwork vets we bring int. See above for more detail.
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You just the other day said that the only thing that matters is numbers, but now our numbers don't tell the whole story and they're not the truth. Which is it? Pick one.

By the way, you asked when the Ravens invested in the offense ever, so that includes spending in free agency, so everyone, including you, is talking about cap hits...

Also, the offense gets nearly $20M more in cap space dedicated to it than the defense. Take Flacco out and the offense now has less cap dedicated by $5M. That's not a really good narrative to say that the quarterback makes the biggest difference.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
You just the other day said that the only thing that matters is numbers, but now our numbers don't tell the whole story and they're not the truth. Which is it? Pick one.

By the way, you asked when the Ravens invested in the offense ever, so that includes spending in free agency, so everyone, including you, is talking about cap hits...

Also, the offense gets nearly $20M more in cap space dedicated to it than the defense. Take Flacco out and the offense now has less cap dedicated by $5M. That's not a really good narrative to say that the quarterback makes the biggest difference.
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Now that it’s a 5m dollar difference wo Flacco, I’d like to see more draft picks for the offense, but yeah, that difference doesnt support the narative.
 
RavensMania said:
Now that it’s a 5m dollar difference wo Flacco, I’d like to see more draft picks for the offense, but yeah, that difference doesnt support the narative.
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for me its more about where those players have come from - we've invested maybe 3/4 high picks on receiving talent since flacco entered the league: torrey smith, ray rice (if he even counts), maxx williams and breshad perriman and we drafted an offensive lineman high for the first time since the superbowl in ronnie stanley - maybe financially we are committing the same amounts of money in both sides but that just tells me we are better at spending our money on defence than we are on offence
 
rossihunter2 said:
for me its more about where those players have come from - we've invested maybe 3/4 high picks on receiving talent since flacco entered the league: torrey smith, ray rice (if he even counts), maxx williams and breshad perriman and we drafted an offensive lineman high for the first time since the superbowl in ronnie stanley - maybe financially we are committing the same amounts of money in both sides but that just tells me we are better at spending our money on defence than we are on offence
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Totally agree. If we had a more equal amount of picks dedicated to the offense (both high and low) we wouldn’t be in this conversation.
 
RavensMania said:
Now that it’s a 5m dollar difference wo Flacco, I’d like to see more draft picks for the offense, but yeah, that difference doesnt support the narative.
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The way I see it with the Ravens is that they're going to pour in money to the offense via FA for the most part and bulk up the defense with the draft.

With the defense, we know the Ravens are likely to get return on investment from these players. The offense? That's a total crapshoot at best.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
You just the other day said that the only thing that matters is numbers, but now our numbers don't tell the whole story and they're not the truth. Which is it? Pick one.

By the way, you asked when the Ravens invested in the offense ever, so that includes spending in free agency, so everyone, including you, is talking about cap hits...

Also, the offense gets nearly $20M more in cap space dedicated to it than the defense. Take Flacco out and the offense now has less cap dedicated by $5M. That's not a really good narrative to say that the quarterback makes the biggest difference.
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Cap money doesn't tell the whole story when you are talking about actually building an offense. If you're talking about production of the offense, then numbers tell the story. You are trying to compare apples and oranges and deliberately playing dumb and being argumentative. How much of that offensive cap is dead money? And again, when you actually draft players, naturally your cap takes a lesser hit since they get lesser monies for 5 years.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
http://russellstreetreport.com/2017/11/10/tale-of-the-tape/flacco-continues-to-leave-yards-on-field/

We all like to have this narrative that Marty isn't calling plays down the field or that receivers aren't getting open, but...

Will cross post.
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Thanks for posting. Yeah, it’s obvious that Flacco is missing his reads. I mean he doesn’t even look to the middle of other side of the field. He has absolutely no vision.

See Watson, wait til covered by safety in flat, pass to Watson. One yard gain and successful completion. That’s a success for him.
 
RavensMania said:
Now that it’s a 5m dollar difference wo Flacco, I’d like to see more draft picks for the offense, but yeah, that difference doesnt support the narative.
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That isn't an accurate depiction though. Don't buy into their crap.

Three players eat $41m of the cap hit on offense: Flacco, Yanda and Wallace. The next 6 highest cap hits are all defense.

So what we truly have is where we've pushed back the cap so hard on a QB that now it's high, an all pro certainly worth the money and a case of overpaying for that patchwork garbage the offense always gets.
 
RavensDFan said:
That isn't an accurate depiction though. Don't buy into their crap.

Three players eat $41000 of the cap hit on offense: Flacco, Yanda and Wallace. The next 6 highest cap hits are all defense.
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You can’t pick and piece and if your going to keep Flacco in the mix, the offense has a lot more dollars allocated to them. I don’t really care about that though. We don’t have to allocate as much money to the defense because we have a lot of young players on the defense that haven’t come up for the second contract yet. We don’t have that on the offense because we don’t have many early picks dedicated to the offense. That needs to be rectified in 2018.
 
RavensMania said:
You can’t pick and piece and if your going to keep Flacco in the mix, the offense has a lot more dollars allocated to them. I don’t really care about that though. We don’t have to allocate as much money to the defense because we have a lot of young players on the defense that haven’t come up for the second contract yet. We don’t have that on the offense because we don’t have many early picks dedicated to the offense. That needs to be rectified in 2018.
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Take Flacco out and reduce the offensive cap hit and you still have 2 players eating almost half of what remains offensively. Keep him in, take him out, the facts are just the facts. We do not address the offense except with patchwork garbage as an afterthought. Which is what they keep saying isn't true and you just stated it as fact but agree with them lol Confusing.
 
RavensDFan said:
Take Flacco out and reduce the offensive cap hit and you still have 2 players eating almost half of what remains offensively. Keep him in, take him out, the facts are just the facts. We do not address the offense except with patchwork garbage as an afterthought. Which is what they keep saying isn't true and you just stated it as fact but agree with them lol Confusing.
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I’m not so sure I’d agree with all of the offensive signings being an afterthought. That’s very harsh. They signed Maclin, Wallace, and Howard. Howard has turned into a good player for us, Wallace had a 1000 yard season last season and this year both would be better if we had a qb who Could pass the ball to WRs.
 
RavensDFan said:
Cap money doesn't tell the whole story when you are talking about actually building an offense. If you're talking about production of the offense, then numbers tell the story. You are trying to compare apples and oranges and deliberately playing dumb and being argumentative. How much of that offensive cap is dead money? And again, when you actually draft players, naturally your cap takes a lesser hit since they get lesser monies for 5 years.
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Investing in the offense does take into account cap money... so yes, it does tell the whole story when that's your narrative. Keep trying, though.
 
RavensMania said:
I’m not so sure I’d agree with all of the offensive signings being an afterthought. That’s very harsh. They signed Maclin, Wallace, and Howard. Howard has turned into a good player for us, Wallace had a 1000 yard season last season and this year both would be better if we had a qb who Could pass the ball to WRs.
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The fact of the matter is that when you're quarterback eats 1/6 of your cap, you can't afford to load up on offense. At some point, you have to justify your cap hit by playing a little bit better.
 
RavensMania said:
Thanks for posting. Yeah, it’s obvious that Flacco is missing his reads. I mean he doesn’t even look to the middle of other side of the field. He has absolutely no vision.

See Watson, wait til covered by safety in flat, pass to Watson. One yard gain and successful completion. That’s a success for him.
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The second half of what you posted is what makes this so frustrating. I don't mind dump offs and short passes because many can go for long YAC, but damn, do not wait until the man is covered to dump it off.

Flacco throws with zero anticipation.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
The second half of what you posted is what makes this so frustrating. I don't mind dump offs and short passes because many can go for long YAC, but damn, do not wait until the man is covered to dump it off.

Flacco throws with zero anticipation.
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and part of the reason we can never run a screen is because we never look like we are doing anything other than a screen when we try and run one - all flacco needs to do is pump fake or keep his eyes downfield to look off / hold defenders and keep his feet moving a fraction longer and then suddenly the defence doesnt immediately sit on the receiver hiding out behind the LoS
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
The fact of the matter is that when you're quarterback eats 1/6 of your cap, you can't afford to load up on offense. At some point, you have to justify your cap hit by playing a little bit better.
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uh huh.

Flacco - 15. 48 of cap hit oh look! Yanda is 2nd here. Justified. But our highest paid WR? Wallace. hahahahaha
Ryan - 14. 25 of cap hit. oh look! Julio Jones is 2nd with 8.34
Palmer - 14.42 of cap hit. (granted not playing right now). Next guy? oh look! a WR! Fitz.

I mean please. And not to mention that Flacco's base salary is lower than any of them. His high cap hit is because of pushing back guaranteed money to be more team friendly. One can only do that for so long. Eventually you've got to pay it or restructure again.
 
Dom McRaven said:
Whether if it's his back or whatever reason, something is going on with Flacco mentally. It's like he wants to get rid of the ball ASAP to avoid getting hit let alone sacked.
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his footwork has got worse since after the oakland game too - just as he was starting to make good looking throws, suddenly his mechanics and footwork and technique are regressing again
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
The second half of what you posted is what makes this so frustrating. I don't mind dump offs and short passes because many can go for long YAC, but damn, do not wait until the man is covered to dump it off.

Flacco throws with zero anticipation.
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I know he doesn’t throw receivers open anymore. He did in the past, but not anymore.
 
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