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2018 Free Agency

Let me be clear Carr Maclin and Webb are all very likely cuts and Jimmy is likely extended/restructured to give us enough room because as is we couldnt even make a move for both Wallace and Jensen if we wanted to. Maybe Woodhead as well to save another 2M. After that, maybe they try to make a move for one solid veteran who makes plays but no way they go for a 10m plus a year WR or TE. The Ravens need 1 more weapon on offense and I suspect they try to sign it.

As for the defense it mostly looked good, going to be getting a VERY strong corner combination so the question is whether Jefferson can put it together and if he can then you are looking at a shutdown secondary.

The other question is on the DLine. There is a lot of good but not a lot of great so one more piece there might be nice. Maybe Wormley continues growing maybe he doesnt. The LB core is set for the next couple of seasons though.

If either Moore or Perriman take a huge leap forward this offseason then you are happy but you do not go into the season expecting it.
 
Adreme said:
Let me be clear Carr Maclin and Webb are all very likely cuts and Jimmy is likely extended/restructured to give us enough room because as is we couldnt even make a move for both Wallace and Jensen if we wanted to. Maybe Woodhead as well to save another 2M. After that, maybe they try to make a move for one solid veteran who makes plays but no way they go for a 10m plus a year WR or TE. The Ravens need 1 more weapon on offense and I suspect they try to sign it.

As for the defense it mostly looked good, going to be getting a VERY strong corner combination so the question is whether Jefferson can put it together and if he can then you are looking at a shutdown secondary.

The other question is on the DLine. There is a lot of good but not a lot of great so one more piece there might be nice. Maybe Wormley continues growing maybe he doesnt. The LB core is set for the next couple of seasons though.

If either Moore or Perriman take a huge leap forward this offseason then you are happy but you do not go into the season expecting it.
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WRs don't usually just change who they are 3-4 years in. That's one position it just doesn't happen. They are what they are for the most part.

And you asked me about getting rid of proven play makers. Yes. They are at the end of their run. I would move them in a heart beat for Allen Robinson. We have NO playmakers on offense and that has to change. There's also the fact we've been trying this approach with no success recently. This team can't just keep trying to do the same thing and I'm pretty sure we're already regretting the Jefferson contract.
 
redrum52 said:
WRs don't usually just change who they are 3-4 years in. That's one position it just doesn't happen. They are what they are for the most part.

And you asked me about getting rid of proven play makers. Yes. They are at the end of their run. I would move them in a heart beat for Allen Robinson. We have NO playmakers on offense and that has to change. There's also the fact we've been trying this approach with no success recently. This team can't just keep trying to do the same thing and I'm pretty sure we're already regretting the Jefferson contract.
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Jefferson will be gone if he doesn’t improve next year and that means using him the way he needs to be used.
 
redrum52 said:
WRs don't usually just change who they are 3-4 years in. That's one position it just doesn't happen. They are what they are for the most part.

And you asked me about getting rid of proven play makers. Yes. They are at the end of their run. I would move them in a heart beat for Allen Robinson. We have NO playmakers on offense and that has to change. There's also the fact we've been trying this approach with no success recently. This team can't just keep trying to do the same thing and I'm pretty sure we're already regretting the Jefferson contract.
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Moore is only 2 years in and Perriman might as well be 2 years in considering all the time he has missed. He missed his entire rookie year training camp of year 2 so as it pertains to actual coaching he is a little light on it. I dont expect him to take a step forward but I will not rule it out.
 
redrum52 said:
WRs don't usually just change who they are 3-4 years in. That's one position it just doesn't happen. They are what they are for the most part.

And you asked me about getting rid of proven play makers. Yes. They are at the end of their run. I would move them in a heart beat for Allen Robinson. We have NO playmakers on offense and that has to change. There's also the fact we've been trying this approach with no success recently. This team can't just keep trying to do the same thing and I'm pretty sure we're already regretting the Jefferson contract.
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There is a 50% chance that Robinson comes here and is as bad or worse than Maclin. That sounds bold but you can go check 50% of FA signings dont work out even among the mega deals. So if Robinson crashes and burns the team is on the hook for years with that burden. The team just got out from 3 bad contracts so landing another one at the expense of players who all played very well last year seems stupid.
 
Adreme said:
There is a 50% chance that Robinson comes here and is as bad or worse than Maclin. That sounds bold but you can go check 50% of FA signings dont work out even among the mega deals. So if Robinson crashes and burns the team is on the hook for years with that burden. The team just got out from 3 bad contracts so landing another one at the expense of players who all played very well last year seems stupid.
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So well that when we relied on the defense they've choked in consecutive years in one of our "TOP" players area of the field. Yup. The route we're going is really paying off. A lot of these guys are on the wrong side of 30 and we lack athletes. Our personnel philosophy has to change since it's obvious the coaching won't.

And do research on receivers improving. They either usually come in productive or aren't (if given actual playing time). It is VERY rare that you have late bloomers at wr. You can't teach hands either.
 
redrum52 said:
So well that when we relied on the defense they've choked in consecutive years in one of our "TOP" players area of the field. Yup. The route we're going is really paying off. A lot of these guys are on the wrong side of 30 and we lack athletes. Our personnel philosophy has to change since it's obvious the coaching won't.

And do research on receivers improving. They either usually come in productive or aren't (if given actual playing time). It is VERY rare that you have late bloomers at wr. You can't teach hands either.
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Ive done plenty of research on WR. Usually year 3 or 4 they boom and look okay before that. Usually being the operative word. For instance in Perrimans case we expected he would need time to develop and he has yet to really get that time. This being effectively his 3rd year I have low expecatations but considering that he needed time to develop anyway it wouldnt be entirely unexpected for him to take a big step forward.

Although like with Moore I doubt it and would not plan around it.
 
I'd just cut Maclin to re-sign Wallace since he actually wants to play football (unless Maclin has an epiphany), cut Howard to re-sign Hurst at a cheaper rate, cut Webb to keep Carr, and cut McClellan and perhaps Woodhead. I'd extend Mosley and Suggs to bring down their cap hits. That only leaves room to probably re-sign Jensen and that's about it unless his price goes crazy, which I doubt. He's not the top center on the market so unless something crazy happens, I would be surprised there.

I don't think we will be able to be big players in FA but I don't think I expect a lot of movement from the Ravens in certain position groups, either. I suspect the team will feel that the OL unit overachieved with the hand they were dealt and not be as aggressive in bolstering the unit. This is due to the fact that Urschel retired, Yanda and Lewis both went to IR for injuries, and Siragusa's knee was shredded as well as having Stanley miss games due to injury himself.

Obviously, we could move on from Webb and Carr, but I'm not sure that'll be so easy to do since Jimmy is coming off of a late season injury to his Achilles and Young is also coming off of an injury himself albeit earlier in the season. That doesn't leave many bodies on defense in the secondary since Jimmy Smith (coming off injury), Canady, Young (coming off injury), Humphrey, and Hill (coming off injury) make up our CB corps. That means we may have, at best, Canady, Young, Humphrey to start the 2018 season if we cut Carr and Webb unless Jimmy Smith and Jaylen Hill have miraculous recoveries. Carr wasn't great but he was available so I think the team could value that or value Webb's knowledge of the defense. I don't see how we can keep both. but I can't see us cutting both with our current situation, either. I would keep Carr over Webb, though, even if he's more money.

As for WR, I don't know where to begin. I'm not even sure I would want Wallace back, but I guess we also don't have a choice due to continuity. He was decent but he dropped his fair share of passes himself whenever Joe didn't overthrow him or when Marty decided to target him. Our WR corps is Tim White, Chris Moore, Breshad Perriman, Jeremy Maclin currently, but that would make me not sleep well at all. I would definitely cut Maclin because he checked out early in the season, and Perriman has been horrible because he cost Joe Flacco at least 3 INTs because the ball bounced right off of his hands into the DBs hands. In fact, that happened a lot this year but we'll leave that be. If we cut Maclin and count out Perriman, we're just bringing back Chris Moore and Tim White and a whole new WR corps. That's just not realistic. I want to write off Woodhead, but he seems like he could be one of those Benjamin Watson or Dennis Pitta type of guys that we, the fans, write off but the team keeps.
 
Grim said:
I want to write off Woodhead, but he seems like he could be one of those Benjamin Watson or Dennis Pitta type of guys that we, the fans, write off but the team keeps.
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I agree with a lot of what you said about wideout but absolutely disagree about woodhead - he’s a key reason why our offence had an uptick especially on 3rd downs - he’s a phenomenal 3rd down back for a multitude of reasons:

- he’s great at pass blocking
- he’s good at identifying the blitzer and picking them up
- you can line him up anywhere on the field
- he’s a threat to run and checkdown and screen and in the flats with YAC when he’s lined up in the backfield (which likely draws a linebacker)
- when split wide in the slot he wins early in the route vs dbs because he’s so sharp in his breaks and can create space so quickly (I think the only receiver we have at any position with comparable route cutting ability is campanaro)
- he also draws dbs in coverage which occupies and holds extra players which opens the defence up to the other receiving personnel on the field: I particularly like the look we used a lot towards the end of the year with Wallace, Moore, campanaro, watson and woodhead all split out in a no back set and part of the reason for the success of that group is woodhead’s role
 
rossihunter2 said:
I agree with a lot of what you said about wideout but absolutely disagree about woodhead - he’s a key reason why our offence had an uptick especially on 3rd downs - he’s a phenomenal 3rd down back for a multitude of reasons:

- he’s great at pass blocking
- he’s good at identifying the blitzer and picking them up
- you can line him up anywhere on the field
- he’s a threat to run and checkdown and screen and in the flats with YAC when he’s lined up in the backfield (which likely draws a linebacker)
- when split wide in the slot he wins early in the route vs dbs because he’s so sharp in his breaks and can create space so quickly (I think the only receiver we have at any position with comparable route cutting ability is campanaro)
- he also draws dbs in coverage which occupies and holds extra players which opens the defence up to the other receiving personnel on the field: I particularly like the look we used a lot towards the end of the year with Wallace, Moore, campanaro, watson and woodhead all split out in a no back set and part of the reason for the success of that group is woodhead’s role
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Yeah I actually agree with you on this and I think we’re speaking the same language here just a different dialect. I think we could cut Woodhead because I think you get a similar player in Allen but I don’t know if we will because of all the problems we have offensively doesn’t require we add to those problems. I think we’ll keep Woodhead at the end of the day for better or worse and it wouldn’t surprise me if he had a 2017 Watson level of impact. Someone everyone writes off but he does better and we appreciate his spot.
 
Grim said:
Yeah I actually agree with you on this and I think we’re speaking the same language here just a different dialect. I think we could cut Woodhead because I think you get a similar player in Allen but I don’t know if we will because of all the problems we have offensively doesn’t require we add to those problems. I think we’ll keep Woodhead at the end of the day for better or worse and it wouldn’t surprise me if he had a 2017 Watson level of impact. Someone everyone writes off but he does better and we appreciate his spot.
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I don’t think Allen is that similar to woodhead at all - they both have good hands and that’s about where the similarities end - Allen isn’t a great route runner and has no short area agility/quickness but he does have a big body with burst in a straight line that means he can pick up consistent chunks between the tackles

I don’t see why woodhead’s frequency of production or snapcounts would reduce in 2018 given how effective he was even coming off an injury this year
 
Edgar said:
What are the cap ramifications if we were to trade Jimmy Smith?
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You'd only save 2.250 because of the guaranteed money. It's no different than cutting a player.

Your also not going to trade Jimmy because you won't receive good value in return due to his injury.
 
RavensMania said:
You'd only save 2.250 because of the guaranteed money. It's no different than cutting a player.

Your also not going to trade Jimmy because you won't receive good value in return due to his injury.
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Probably not but if convinced he's mended someone might offer a three or a four.
 
As good a corner as he is, he cannot be relied upon. And if someone offered a third AND you have two mill to boot it should definitely be bandied about.
 
Edgar said:
As good a corner as he is, he cannot be relied upon. And if someone offered a third AND you have two mill to boot it should definitely be bandied about.
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his contract and all the restructures is not conducive to getting rid of him - we essentially give away a top corner for 2 mill savings - we arent gonna find a replacement for 2 mill... therefore any solution to the corner problem that involves jimmy getting cut/traded is gonna be more expensive than keeping jimmy in the first place...

the whole point of marlon, tavon, canady, hill and (hopefully) carr is that we dont need to rely on jimmy
 
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