2018 Free Agency

[rossihunter2]

Well damn. I want to know what your definition of "elite" is then. His stats would say otherwise.

i also dont think he's elite... he's a good receiver and he's worthy of being a high end wr2 out of the slot but hes not a player who you can build an offence around... there are other players on the market id prefer if he's gonna cost wr1 money (which he inevitably will) - he's not a top 10 receiver in the league but he's asking for top 3/4 wr money

 

[DeVito52]

If I’m the Dolphins I say fuck 14 mill to Landry. Let him walk. They have Parker

 

[Davesta]

My top choice is AR15. But we will probably have to sign him to a multi year deal. People who said 1 year prove it deal. I just think about if I was a WR, and I’m riding a 1 year prove it deal, why would I want to do that with the ravens and flacco?

 

[rossihunter2]

My top choice is AR15. But we will probably have to sign him to a multi year deal. People who said 1 year prove it deal. I just think about if I was a WR, and I’m riding a 1 year prove it deal, why would I want to do that with the ravens and flacco?

a 1 year deal would be virtually impossible for us to give him anyway - a longer deal allows us to back-load his cap hits whereas a 1 year deal is all in the first year's cap

the only way we sign one of these free agent wrs is if we give them at least a 3 year deal most likely in my opinion

 

[purplepittabread88]

We will only use 3.5 million for our draft picks based on where we are picking and we currently have 11m and can make an additional 11m, which is more than recent years.

Can I ask where you got 3.5 on? I did my math off of the picks from last year, as we are in the same spot. Originally I added up the contracts from the 2018 cap space which made it a bit higher. Anyway, based off 2017, Marlon is 2.1 mil, Bowser, 1 , Wormley .7, Williams .7 , Nico, .6 Jermaine, .6 Chuck, .5 add that all up and the cap hits equal around 6 mil in addition to us having one more pick than last year.

https://russellstreetreport.com/201...ns-salary-cap/ravens-2018-salary-cap-preview/

This article was written by a guy who spends a lot of time tracking the Ravens' numbers. He gave us a cap space of around 6 million after bonuses, although that was with the cap space set at 178 max, so I added the 3 on. I mean I know we will make cuts, but without them we will have around 3 million to spend If I am correct. Best case, it seems we will still have under 10 million in cap space. I know in the past we have backloaded contracts, but I'm not sure we should rely on that as much anymore, as it will just keep us in an eternal cycle of cap hell.

You guys saw what kind of contract Landry wants. We simply just can't afford that. 14 Million for a guy who is only a short range, drag route and screen catcher isn't worth it imo. Allen will probably want at least 11 million a year, and even that is damn tough to pay. For a guy like AR I'd be willing to pay that honestly, it just seems like we don't really have a ton of options to resign any of our guys. (Jensen, Wallace, Urban, Camp)

 

[purplepittabread88]

a 1 year deal would be virtually impossible for us to give him anyway - a longer deal allows us to back-load his cap hits whereas a 1 year deal is all in the first year's cap

the only way we sign one of these free agent wrs is if we give them at least a 3 year deal most likely in my opinion

Are you sure he wouldn't want to do a 5 year prove it for the minimum I can dream can't I?

 

[Grim]

I really don't think Jensen is going to break the bank in the manner that anyone thinks. He's definitely going to get paid but if you're a team out there in need of a Center are you going to break open your briefcase on someone who has just started as a full time C this year? There's been no word of Jensen resetting the market and it completely differentiates from Wagner's situation who had been a stable on the Ravens right side with two good years.

I can't get with cutting Carr since Jimmy might not even start the year. You're walking into a situation where you're starting CBs is Marlon and Canady; just too much risk there.

Like the others have said, I think with the NFL cap increase(11M I believe), some cuts and backloaded deals that we will have enough room for two quality FA additions or 1 big FA addition.

I agree to be honest in a lot of ways. On CB I just don’t see how we can go and roll the dice and hope that we can get away with Jimmy having a fast recovery at his age and having Young coming off his injury with Canady and Humphrey as our healthy CB and that’s assuming Canady doesn’t get hurt because he has had some injuries too. Hill is also injured so we can’t even hope he’ll be there because he was a late injury too. I think it would be idiotic of us to cut Carr for this reason because we frankly can’t afford it. Not with what we want to do on defense. Even with Wink I’m sure we will continue to rely on our CB.

As for Jensen I don’t think I’m convinced he’ll get the Brinks truck either because he’s not even the top center on the market. If we lose him though then there are nice options available in the draft so I think we’ll be okay as long as we don’t think we can rely on Siragusa or Skura being that guy.

Landry would be a nice get and I like Robinson quite a bit. He could be Jeffrey and he could be Britt but I think he’s closer to Alshon than Kenny

 

[purplepittabread88]

I agree to be honest in a lot of ways. On CB I just don’t see how we can go and roll the dice and hope that we can get away with Jimmy having a fast recovery at his age and having Young coming off his injury with Canady and Humphrey as our healthy CB and that’s assuming Canady doesn’t get hurt because he has had some injuries too. Hill is also injured so we can’t even hope he’ll be there because he was a late injury too. I think it would be idiotic of us to cut Carr for this reason because we frankly can’t afford it. Not with what we want to do on defense. Even with Wink I’m sure we will continue to rely on our CB.

As for Jensen I don’t think I’m convinced he’ll get the Brinks truck either because he’s not even the top center on the market. If we lose him though then there are nice options available in the draft so I think we’ll be okay as long as we don’t think we can rely on Siragusa or Skura being that guy.

Landry would be a nice get and I like Robinson quite a bit. He could be Jeffrey and he could be Britt but I think he’s closer to Alshon than Kenny

I think Jensen is by far the best Free agent center. Walter Football has him ranked at 7 (for free agents) which is just crazy. 3 of the guys infront of him are RFA, so don't expect them to be gone. The others, one is 33 (no one will give him a big contract) and the other 2 have MAJOR injury and concussion problems. Someone will throw the bank at Jensen.
The 49ers need a center and have trucks of millions. Bad for us.

 

[Grim]

I think Jensen is by far the best Free agent center. Walter Football has him ranked at 7 (for free agents) which is just crazy. 3 of the guys infront of him are RFA, so don't expect them to be gone. The others, one is 33 (no one will give him a big contract) and the other 2 have MAJOR injury and concussion problems. Someone will throw the bank at Jensen.
The 49ers need a center and have trucks of millions. Bad for us.

I haven’t looked into the Niners too well, so perhaps I am wrong here, but knowing Shanahan unless they changed from or are changing from a ZBS, which he traditionally runs, I don’t see Jensen fitting there in the ZBS. He was good for us here because he got to use power more than what we’ve seen in the past. I know we still had zone but it wasn’t what we used to do. Also, there’s guys like Richburg and Schwenke who are good centers. I wouldn’t put Jensen above those guys or below but about even it just depends on what you want. I don’t see a true clear cut top center this year—just some guys dueling it out for that spot.

 

[RavensMania]

Can I ask where you got 3.5 on? I did my math off of the picks from last year, as we are in the same spot. Originally I added up the contracts from the 2018 cap space which made it a bit higher. Anyway, based off 2017, Marlon is 2.1 mil, Bowser, 1 , Wormley .7, Williams .7 , Nico, .6 Jermaine, .6 Chuck, .5 add that all up and the cap hits equal around 6 mil in addition to us having one more pick than last year.

https://russellstreetreport.com/201...ns-salary-cap/ravens-2018-salary-cap-preview/

This article was written by a guy who spends a lot of time tracking the Ravens' numbers. He gave us a cap space of around 6 million after bonuses, although that was with the cap space set at 178 max, so I added the 3 on. I mean I know we will make cuts, but without them we will have around 3 million to spend If I am correct. Best case, it seems we will still have under 10 million in cap space. I know in the past we have backloaded contracts, but I'm not sure we should rely on that as much anymore, as it will just keep us in an eternal cycle of cap hell.

You guys saw what kind of contract Landry wants. We simply just can't afford that. 14 Million for a guy who is only a short range, drag route and screen catcher isn't worth it imo. Allen will probably want at least 11 million a year, and even that is damn tough to pay. For a guy like AR I'd be willing to pay that honestly, it just seems like we don't really have a ton of options to resign any of our guys. (Jensen, Wallace, Urban, Camp)

Can I ask where you got 3.5 on? I did my math off of the picks from last year, as we are in the same spot. Originally I added up the contracts from the 2018 cap space which made it a bit higher. Anyway, based off 2017, Marlon is 2.1 mil, Bowser, 1 , Wormley .7, Williams .7 , Nico, .6 Jermaine, .6 Chuck, .5 add that all up and the cap hits equal around 6 mil in addition to us having one more pick than last year.

https://russellstreetreport.com/201...ns-salary-cap/ravens-2018-salary-cap-preview/

This article was written by a guy who spends a lot of time tracking the Ravens' numbers. He gave us a cap space of around 6 million after bonuses, although that was with the cap space set at 178 max, so I added the 3 on. I mean I know we will make cuts, but without them we will have around 3 million to spend If I am correct. Best case, it seems we will still have under 10 million in cap space. I know in the past we have backloaded contracts, but I'm not sure we should rely on that as much anymore, as it will just keep us in an eternal cycle of cap hell.

You guys saw what kind of contract Landry wants. We simply just can't afford that. 14 Million for a guy who is only a short range, drag route and screen catcher isn't worth it imo. Allen will probably want at least 11 million a year, and even that is damn tough to pay. For a guy like AR I'd be willing to pay that honestly, it just seems like we don't really have a ton of options to resign any of our guys. (Jensen, Wallace, Urban, Camp)

I’m using overthecap and spotrac. Also have to take into account the all 51

Not sure where I got those numbers actually. Can’t find it anymore. At this point, I’d just worry about the top 51 contracts. That’s what TD league looks at until after the preseason.

 

[RavensMania]

I haven’t looked into the Niners too well, so perhaps I am wrong here, but knowing Shanahan unless they changed from or are changing from a ZBS, which he traditionally runs, I don’t see Jensen fitting there in the ZBS. He was good for us here because he got to use power more than what we’ve seen in the past. I know we still had zone but it wasn’t what we used to do. Also, there’s guys like Richburg and Schwenke who are good centers. I wouldn’t put Jensen above those guys or below but about even it just depends on what you want. I don’t see a true clear cut top center this year—just some guys dueling it out for that spot.

Agree, Jensen isn’t a good fit and they run the stretch zbs scheme like Kubiak.

 

[JO_75]

If I’m the Dolphins I say fuck 14 mill to Landry. Let him walk. They have Parker

Apparently Landry wants similar money to what Davante Adams just got and feels disrespected by the team during the negotiations. They made a offer back in December, his agent made a counter offer and since then has not heard back from the team in regards to the counter offer. I was reading something that they may be trying to under pay him his value, you know after going ham in FA and OVER PAYING other players in recent years and now want to go under the market with Landry.

 

[RavensMania]

This is the spotrac page I’ve been referring to showing the adjusted salary cap with rollover cap. Total cap available with top 51 is around 13m.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/cap/

 

[JO_75]

This is the spotrac page I’ve been referring to showing the adjusted salary cap with rollover cap. Total cap available with top 51 is around 13m.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/cap/

Seems pretty easy to gain more cap space, ask Flacco to take a pay cut, with the ability for him to earn it back through performance bonuses. Jimmy would be another candidate, I don't think Howard will be back with the $5M cap hit so we won't pick up his option. Maclin could be gone with his $7M cap hit and the lack of productivity this past season. That would give us the cap space to make an overhaul on the offense if the FO wanted to bring in Jimmy Graham or Jarvis Landry or even Robinson.

 

[Oldfaithful]

Agree, Jensen isn’t a good fit and they run the stretch zbs scheme like Kubiak.

MoVe hIm tO StRoNG safEtY

 

[RL52TheGreatest]

It would be great if we could somehow get Allen Robinson (Landry isn't worth WR1 money), but I think we need to make re-signing Jensen our biggest priority. It's going to be a huge loss if we can't re-sign him because of the toughness that he brings to the line. Really, we need more players like Jensen on this team that play with an "edge" so that we can start striking fear into opponents again.

 

[Boldnpurpblack]

Worth it. I don't care what anyone says. He's an elite WR with sure hands and is a reception machine. Never missed a game his entire career (though that can change when he puts on a Ravens jersey). He's just a very safe signing. Pair him with Calvin Ridley and our WR group looks promising.

Not a fan.

Not for us at least. He needs a lot of touches and gets most of them through scheme/design at or around the line of scrimmage. Joe isnt always the most accurate with the short throws and still struggles to throw guys into space. IMO that limits a lot of Landry's effectiveness.

Plus I want to push the ball down field more. We already target backs and TE's far too often for my tastes... adding another guy that works almost exclusively in the short/intermediate doesnt do much to make us less predictable or more dynamic. And for that kind of money we could probably get in the realm of signing Allen Robinson who would do much more for the offense overall.

 

[RavensMania]

Seems pretty easy to gain more cap space, ask Flacco to take a pay cut, with the ability for him to earn it back through performance bonuses. Jimmy would be another candidate, I don't think Howard will be back with the $5M cap hit so we won't pick up his option. Maclin could be gone with his $7M cap hit and the lack of productivity this past season. That would give us the cap space to make an overhaul on the offense if the FO wanted to bring in Jimmy Graham or Jarvis Landry or even Robinson.

We save 5 million cutting Maclin, due to the 2.5m in dead cap. It’s a 3 m Savings cutting Howard. Jimmy isn’t going to outright take a pay cut. You can extend him. This way the guaranteed money is spread out over a longer time, which essentially lowers his cap number.

We are not putting all of our dollars into Jimmy Graham, who is going to cost way too much money. We should draft a tight end. This class is very good and draft a wr or two. We also should pick up a wr in fa.

 

[DeVito52]

Dolphins fans don’t even care if they lose Landry. Most of my family are phins fans and all I’ve seen on their boards is “It won’t be tough to find someone to catch the ball at the line of scrimmage and run 5-7 yards” lol

 

[rossihunter2]

Dolphins fans don’t even care if they lose Landry. Most of my family are phins fans and all I’ve seen on their boards is “It won’t be tough to find someone to catch the ball at the line of scrimmage and run 5-7 yards” lol

As a counterpoint I don’t think they saw the ravens offence for most of the first half of the year - we legit couldn’t find anyone to do that