allblackraven
Hall of Famer
He's done with Dolphins. Being on a trade block all year did not sit well with Landry.
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2018 Free Agency
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TheCity5
MVP
112 receptions might seem impressive on face value, but when they go for a grand total of 987 yards to go along with 8.8 YPR then it's not as impressive as it looks. You might argue that scheme/QB have more to do with it but I would say that's an element of his game that's absent from him. If you can go deep and make plays there then no team is going to stop you from doing so.
TheCity5
MVP
They're trying to extend him but they're really lowballing him. They can't even afford to pay him what he would easily earn on the top market.
TheCity5
MVP
I don't agree honestly. If I'm spending that much money I'd rather just go hard after Allen Robinson. Truth is, I really don't think we need a guy like Jarvis here. What we need is big plays, I'm talking 20+ pass plays, and even those occasional 40+ plays. I don't think Jarvis bring a lot of that here, in fact he's only had a pedestrian in that aspect with 6 catches of 20+ yards which is good for 80th(T) in the league. 40+ Yards? One reception on the entire year, that's just not what we need. I don't think he would solve any of the problems on our offense. It's not that he's a bad player or anything like that, but we need big plays and Jarvis isn't going to bring much of that here.
Allen Robinson on the other hand led the league in 2015 with a monstrous 31 catches of 20+ yards, and was tied for 4th in the league for receptions of 40+ yards.
If there's anyone I'm paying up for, it's Allen Robinson and him only.
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
We can't afford either of these guys.
TheCity5
MVP
My thoughts exactly. Carr is actually the Ravens most dependable CB because he stays healthy. Jimmy is just not reliable when it comes to his health and I don't know if he's going to return to form at this point. It's sad but he's just had too many injuries to his lower body at this point.
In terms of Jensen, is anyone really going to dump all their cash into a guy who has a grand total of 1 Year starting under his belt and isn't even a fit in a ZBS? I just don't think I have ever seen anyone get paid in that scenario. I think Jensen is going to warrant a healthy pay-day but I feel good about him returning here on a deal that's good on both sides.
TheCity5
MVP
Yeah, probably not, but If I'm paying anyone 12M+ It's going to be Allen Robinson. If we're talking about cap here then we might as well drop Landry from the discussion because I'm very certain we're not going to pay up for him.
I wouldn't completely rule it out though. This is the one time that a player who can solve our problems becomes available on the FA market.
Hypothetically speaking we can afford it, but it would make it very tough to make more moves.
Looking back on it, I kind of loath some of the deals that are burning us because if it weren't for that I think we would go hard after Robinson. People say that Ozzie doesn't bite on expensive WRs but I think Robinson is the lone exception.
JAAM
Hall of Famer
Ozzie would find a way to make it work. I remember those saying we couldn't afford Weddle and Wallace in one offseason and it happened.
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
Those two were not WRs in their prime.
DeVito52
Ravens Ring of Honor
I agree but there is one big factor that plays into it. Injuries. This year we looked deep at CB as well. Then Tavon, Canady, Jimmy, and Hill all went down with injuries at different times. Secondary injuries will happen. Carr is relatively cheap and it’s nice to have an iron man back there. I wouldn’t mind drafting another CB in a later round and letting go of Carr though.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
With regards to other WRs... We also have to account for potential cap casualties. Demaryius Thomas looks like one as does Dez Bryant. I understand that none of y'all want those two.... But I'd take either over our current corps. Both have had statistical down years but I think both can still be good players if given the chance. Both could fill that role of the a physical target that Joe oh so desperately need.
I'd much rather have a younger guy like Landry or Robinson as well.. But those two would be ozzie newsome signings
I'd much rather have a younger guy like Landry or Robinson as well.. But those two would be ozzie newsome signings
I imagine Randall cobb is likely cut too
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
You know... Dez might be cheaper than Robinson and others and he’s literally perfect for Joe.....
That’d be my move. He and Dak don’t seem to click. Dez is best running dig routes and in contested situations. Flacco can take advantage of both.
Cobb would good too for different reasons but if Dez becomes available he’s my top target. He’d excel in the AFC north
JAAM
Hall of Famer
I'd take Dez in a heartbeat.
DeVito52
Ravens Ring of Honor
If Dez Bryant isn’t cheaper than Allen Robinson there is something wrong with the world.
I wouldn’t mind taking a shot at Dez in hope that his decline is mainly a result of Dak being the QB or something.
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
And that is what is wrong with the offense. It is so bad some fans would dance around a todem pile over a declining receiver. Over any upgrade over the jokes management fronts!! His decline isn’t on the QB. Cornerbacks that shut him down laugh at how slow he is. He relied heavily on his unique explosion and athleticism. The offense needs an in his prime receiver whose best play is yet to come. A young WR that wants opportunity to be the man like Paul Richardson and Marqise lee.
I would trade for Rashard Huggins b4 Dez. Even Allen Robinson’s best play is yet to come. He carried Bortles to 35TDs 4500 yards or more pro bowl season. He is far better than Devante Adams. At that money he would be a bargain. He is a very rare receiver that can win at every level on every facet!! He runs fluid sudden shifty routes like a slot. He is very elusive and strong after the catch and can take it the distance. He can get separation and make the tough catch in traffic. He can get separation deep as well as climb the ladder at 6’3 220 lbs. He is similar to a young T.O in how many ways he could win. In my opinion his routes are more sudden than Julio Jones. And is better in traffic. He actually plays like a young Braylon Edwards. Whom coulda been an all time great if he gave any effort. AT ALL!! In my opinion Robinson’s best is yet to come. The flash he showed came with. A Young below average QB, terrible oline and no real running game. He could be Julio Jones Larry Fitzgerald good with Joe Flacco. And in my opinion he is better than AJ Green. A QB, oline and run game he could really be special and a game changer!! He and Alex Collins and Dixon could lead the offense to juggernaut status. And a Young stud fullback in Ricard and Ravens could be cooking on offense!! To status the defense leans on it to score and control clock!!
On side note Collins is no fluke. He was one of most highly recruited running backs coming out of high school if not the most recruited!! He feet and run skills were compared to some of the best if u look at his high school scouting report into college.
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Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
Dez's athleticism has declined but at the same exact time.. Speed wasn't mainly his game. He's still one of the most physical and best jump ball WRs in the league and it shows. He can climb the ladder as well as anyone and he enjoys punishing WRs with how physical he can get. He's not exactly slow either.
Dak played a big part looking through some cowboys tape. It also shows that the cowboys straight up did not have a 1000 yard WR this year. Dez still commands a double team so NFL coordinators still have a mad amount of respect for the guy... And I get it. Chances are he's going to come out victorious in a jumpball situation. Not saying Dak is bad.. He's not. Dak plays a role for two reasons . 1. Dak and Dez never really got on the same page like Romo and Dez did. Dak prefers to spread the ball around while Romo had a lot more confidence in Dez when the situation calls for it. 2. Dak's accuracy was rather inconsistent this season. He had a down year. It happens.
That said. Looking at the tape.. He's still a #1 receiver. He's fast enough and among the most physical guys in the league. I wouldn't put him in my top 15.. But he's in my top 20 and I think with a better team.. He could be better. He still flashes elite physical ability and while he's not a deep threat anymore, that dude still gets open over the middle of the field as well as anyone in the game.
Honestly. I'd rather have a younger guy, but Dez might come at the right price. And his physicality would make him a fit in this division. We'd need to draft an ideal compliment to him or resign Wallace to give the defense something else to worry about, but he'd be a fine acquisition. He'd be a primary target for me, possibly ahead of Landry.
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
Dez would be a huge blunder!! His agility and explosion for them jump balls and diving catches aren’t even close to what it was. Cornerbacks are beginning to taunt him. He is turning 30. Not known for taking care of his bod and working hard and not a good teammate. If he was anywhere near the beast he was then Dallas wouldn’t cut him outright. It would do everything it could to extend, regenotiate and keep him. He is no longer a No.1 that you build around. I would bet money that unless he lands with a top shelf QB he is finished with No.1 WR numbers!!
TheCity5
MVP
I would love to have Demaryius Thomas. He would bring those 20+ pass plays that we badly need here. I really do like him more then Jarvis Landry actually and I think Demaryius can be a difference maker here. He’s actually my #2 behind Robinson personally.
I think he can very well end up here.
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
Dude, no. Thomas hasn’t looked elite in a couple yrs now. He is very slow in his routes, bad hands and turning 30. He lost a lot of his explosion and is declining. Can’t throw it all on the QB cuz Emmanuel Sanders has big games. Not like with Peyton b4 his arm went limp. But he has big games unlike Thomas who is a big slug. I would prefer an in his prime skilled playmaker looking for opportunity to be the man like Richardson or Marqise. Robinson is most ideal!! He is gonna be a bargain even at $12mil per!! He carried Bortles to a pro bowl season. And got Hackenberg drafted in early rounds. With a solid run game and QB he could a top4 WR in the league. He is a rare big wr that can run routes and create separation like a slot. As well as make the tough catches in traffic, separate deep and make the big acrobatic play. He is very very elusive after the catch for a 6’3 220 lb receiver. He is on the level of AJ green and Julio Jones. 4 yrs $44 mil would be nice bargain considering his best is yet to come. Let’s leave salary cap cuts to teams looking for complimentary WR’s
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