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2018 Free Agency
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DeVito52
Ravens Ring of Honor
At this point, ill take Allen Robinson over resigning Jensen. Jensen is very good but Robinson has elite potential. Worst case we throw Skura at center, or maybe Siragusa if hes back healthy. It wouldn't be the end of the world if we lost Jensen, and theres a real chance we lose him to FA anyway.
Taking a risk on a player who MIGHT turn out to be great but it is equally likely to burn out (lets remember why Dez and Thomas are going to be cut and the odds get worse when a player switches teams) vs resigning an OLine player who played well and seems to be a great fit for the system.
Tank
Hall of Famer
You may want to go back and think of the times when Gino and Zuttah were at center. Me thinks you may change your thoughts on Jensen. lol
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
Dez and Thomas are 30 and never were fast enough to be allowed to lose a couple steps. Them burning out can’t be compared to a 25 yr old wr. I was Jensen’s biggest supporter to start since 2015. However if we’re talking players burning out then Jensen is as likely a candidate to burn out. He looked very small in 2016 and got bulled a couple times. In a public event b4 2016 season he was standing next to Stanley and somebody said he didn’t look like a lineman. However this season he bulked back up to about 330 lbs and looked like the 2015 player again.
I like Jensen and would like to keep him. However there is Lewis and Yanda returning. And if skura was physical enough to handle guard then he is plenty physical enough 4 center. It would be nice to keep Jensen and sign Robinson or Marqise. However ravens are screwed up against the wall or cap ceiling. When you waste several million $dollars per on old cap cut signings every year. It tightens the cap freedom more every year. You can’t keep extending 33 yr old wood heads and Webb’s etc..... and simultaneously sign necessary game changers to build around. At some point management has to trust young players to at least be able to replace part time role players??
Woodhead was an important piece in our offense and wasn’t extended. His contract isn’t a lot either and he wasn’t extended. Webb wasn’t either as he was cut. He will be cut this offseason though. We have players on the team that have already taken his role in a more effective manner.
K-Dog
MVP
It is sad for me to think Webb is done here.
He is a classy individual. I am a fan.
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
Whatcha mean by classy
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
No.. Just no. Anquan Boldin and Fitzgerald were never overly particuarly explosive players. Damn good athletes, but both in there primes were slower than Dez is currently. Their money makers were strong hands and physicality, along with great route running. Dez has strong hands, and even going back to the tape this year showed that he's one of the best jumpball WRs in the entire league. Even if he's not an elite WR anymore, he still fits the mold of a #1 or at the very worst a very high end #2.. Which is a hell of a lot better than anything we have on the roster. While not EVERY issue can be put on the QB, some issues can be. Dez's physicality and toughness makes him a dream here in this division. Hell, put him with Wallace's speed and suddenly you can't double the man anymore, and Flacco having the guy in one on one contested situations? Nightmare for any DC in the league. We won a super bowl with a similar mantra. Overly physical WR pushing 30 who couldn't be doubled because we had two deep threats and a nice TE over the middle. We had good weapons, but none of them were elite megastuds like Megatron. Dez... Would still be a good weapon. Something the team is sorely lacking and he'd be a fraction of the price of Allen Robinson. And I'd rather be able to keep Ryan Jensen and sign someone like a Dez Bryant or a Micheal Crabtree than lose out on a pretty good center solely to get Allen Robinson, who is a much better player than Dez when healthy at the moment, but the last thing this team needs is more problems on the oline. The New York Giants proved that it doesn't fucking matter if you have an elite WR corps this season if your line is total ass.
Sorry. If Dez becomes avaliable and it's for the right price we'd be foolish not to pay the man. He might not be the #1 WR we're looking for, but I think WR is a position we address in both FA and the draft.
Sorry. If Dez becomes avaliable and it's for the right price we'd be foolish not to pay the man. He might not be the #1 WR we're looking for, but I think WR is a position we address in both FA and the draft.
Agree. I’d be fine with picking up another number 2 wr to go with signing Wallace and drafting a wr that can turn into a number 1. Even if Dez Ir Crabtree are ONLY 2s, that would be sufficient.
redrum52
Hall of Famer
HELL NO. Dez is no where near Boldin or Fitz physically. Hate his mentality as well and his hands shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as those guys. He's old, lost his speed, hasn't shown he can run the route tree(could be due to the offense) and has flat out disappeared during games. There's also the injury concerns. I want no parts of Dez or Demarius. We consistently complain about how guys don't produce or too late in their careers. If we're going to make that move, take the risk on the young guy with upside, Robinson, or save the cap. The team will have cap flexibility in 19, looking at you Joe, Jimmy and Brandon. They just have to get the pieces to fit this year.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
No where near is an exaggeration and we both know it. Even this season he proved that he can still outmuscle people with the best of them. And having watched my fair share of cowboys games, a lot of the blame(Though not all of it) can be attributed to Dak just flat out missing the dude at times. He's in desperate need for a change of scenery. You may hate his mentality but we need a guy right now that can do something like that. And if you seriously think one WR is going to solve all of our problems(even if we keep wallace), then you're living in a fantasy land. Also we don't have the room to pull out one of those guys AND keep Jensen if we are being totally honest even after cuts. Sorry, I am not going to compromise my oline for a WR corps. That's a stupid idea.
And actually, Dez goes over the middle pretty well too. Something the offense lacks. His dig route is his best route and he's damn good at it. I don't like his personality either, but we might not have a choice. Even if he's more of a compliment... We need more than one body. Draft a guy in the first two rounds to potentially the be the #1, find the compliment in FA. Dez would be a good acquisition...
Can't disagree about Thomas though. His game relied far more on speed than Dez's did. Dez can still wear a defensive back down and can still climb the ladder. Something we sorely lack on this offense. Thomas was physical but more explosive.
I'd be all for Dez if he comes at the right price.
I still think we should draft a WR high regardless. Unless we can get a Julio Jones, only one man isn't going to do much.
TheCity5
MVP
He's in quiet possibly the worst QB situation for any WR. What big games has Sanders had? He's had a huge down year statistically speaking so I don't see how he fits into the equation. DT is still a downfield WR and we badly need that here.
You don't have to tell me about Allen Robinson, I would love to have him here, he's easily my #1 guy far and away but there's a good chance that he won't end up here. Hypothetically speaking we can afford it, but we're going to have to let go of plenty of guys for it and that's just not a move Ozzie likes to pull off. I think Allen Robinson would solve so many of our issues and I would let go of Jensen for him, that's how great of an addition he would be here.
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
I said he has a place. But as complimentary receivers. Most Dallas fans don’t want him back. He is being shut down man up by average cornerbacks. Talk to cowboy fans!! Boldin and Fitz are very focused competitive CRAFTY WRs!! Yet Arizona’s offense wasn’t lighting it up. Dez is not crafty. He was great cuz of superior athleticism. Now His teammates aren’t feeding off his attention. And cowboy receivers definitely aren’t seeing reduced attention!! Talk to cowboy fans and see what commentators are saying. Dez is being taunted in single coverage. If Dez is our big move. Then this time next year all the fanatics will be rambling how ravens are close to being contenders again like after 2015 and 2016. All while watching Brady fill hand no.2 up with rings. Maclin and Decker were supposedly great signings that would get the offense over the hump. Now calling for more wash ups. Crabtree is going into year 10 and completely washed up. These wash ups are cheaper and unwanted for a reason. Like when a hot chic begins putting on weight. And no Longer so desired. That is Dez Demaryius and Crabtree. Crabtree was never elite to begin with. He is a washed up No.2
TheCity5
MVP
Absolutely, this is the one scenario I picture if we do sign Robinson here. We would have to let go of Jensen but for Robinson say no more. Robinson would literally change the entire dynamic of our offense.
Big receiver who Joe loves? Check. Red-zone threat which we badly need? Check. Big plays? Check? Move the chains? Check.
He's the one guy that I can imagine us going after. Do I think it's going to happen? No, but it's a possibility simply because of the fact that he solves nearly all of our problems. As far as Jensen goes, it would suck but you can find someone who can fill in that role without a drop off in the draft in Billy Price who should be there in the 1st, or even the 2nd round depending on where we think he will fall. I think Price is a fantastic C prospect. Getting Yanda and Lewis back should help a ton. Robinson would breath life into this offense. Add in Ridley and I'm dead.
You know what? I'd even cut Carr for him too. That's how much of a game-changer he is.
Tank
Hall of Famer
Don’t think Dez would ever be considered. Have you ever seen his act on the sideline? He is an asshole.
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
Agreed about the oline. And I love Jensen. But tbh we can find somebody close to Jensen’s production b4 we could find somebody close to a legit No.1 WR in his prime.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
Yeah seriously. This corps needs multiple acquisitions from different positions this offseason. I don't think people get how truly pathetic this corps is. Wallace is the best WR we have.. That sucks. He's a middling #2 AT best and a high end #3 at worst. I'd like to keep him around as he commands safety attention, but he's not going to be expensive. We need two guys BARE MINIMUM at the WR position. Perriman is a bust, Maclin was too injured to actually contribute, Moore is nothing more(heh) than a #3. If the guy we get in FA is a compliment. So be it. If he can catch the damn ball and bully corners and command respect from DCs(which Dez still does btw, and if you think otherwise then why does he still command a double team?).
Allen Robinson is unlikely. As is Landry(even though I wouldn't object to either). I wouldn't be objected to a Paul Richardson, Marqise Lee, or Moncreif. But we lack physicality, and a lot of those guys do too. Dez doesn't. Now sure, we could in theory go get a Sutton in the draft and take a Marqise Lee, but Dez would fit in this offense like a glove.
Mike Wallace had a reputation as being a quitter and Steve Smith was also an asshole to most other teams. We're not afraid to bring people like that on, and quite frankly Dez is somewhat justified in being frustrated. If anything the DV thing would completely eliminate us from contention to get him.. But I doubt it. It's a gut feeling but I feel like we'd pursue him.
I like Dez. But let's get this clear. I'd take Robinson and Landry over him every day of the week. Problem is.. We can't afford it.
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
Totally agree!! And I really like Isaiah Wynn!! He is gonna he a very good guard, pro bowl caliber center and can play tackle if necessary!! He isn’t that big. But he is very powerful for his size, athletic and aggressive. He is gonna be an absolute steal in round3!! He is a more athletic and better technician version of Shaq mason.