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2018 Free Agency

TheCity5 said:
Absolutely, this is the one scenario I picture if we do sign Robinson here. We would have to let go of Jensen but for Robinson say no more. Robinson would literally change the entire dynamic of our offense.

Big receiver who Joe loves? Check. Red-zone threat which we badly need? Check. Big plays? Check? Move the chains? Check.

He's the one guy that I can imagine us going after. Do I think it's going to happen? No, but it's a possibility simply because of the fact that he solves nearly all of our problems. As far as Jensen goes, it would suck but you can find someone who can fill in that role without a drop off in the draft in Billy Price who should be there in the 1st, or even the 2nd round depending on where we think he will fall. I think Price is a fantastic C prospect. Getting Yanda and Lewis back should help a ton. Robinson would breath life into this offense. Add in Ridley and I'm dead.

You know what? I'd even cut Carr for him too. That's how much of a game-changer he is.
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I have 0 faith in Alex Lewis at G(he sucked) and would much rather not create another hole on an already weaker unit. The New Giants proved it this offseason. You pick WR corps over Oline, your offense is going to suck. No thank you. An offseason where we keep Jense, keep Wallace, keep Watson, and get a Dez Bryant(or Crabtree, or Richardson, or Lee) on a discount along with drafting a Calvin Ridley/Cortland Sutton in round one, with a Dallas Godert or Mike Gesicki in round two would be my ideal offseason..
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
No where near is an exaggeration and we both know it. Even this season he proved that he can still outmuscle people with the best of them. And having watched my fair share of cowboys games, a lot of the blame(Though not all of it) can be attributed to Dak just flat out missing the dude at times. He's in desperate need for a change of scenery. You may hate his mentality but we need a guy right now that can do something like that. And if you seriously think one WR is going to solve all of our problems(even if we keep wallace), then you're living in a fantasy land. Also we don't have the room to pull out one of those guys AND keep Jensen if we are being totally honest even after cuts. Sorry, I am not going to compromise my oline for a WR corps. That's a stupid idea.

And actually, Dez goes over the middle pretty well too. Something the offense lacks. His dig route is his best route and he's damn good at it. I don't like his personality either, but we might not have a choice. Even if he's more of a compliment... We need more than one body. Draft a guy in the first two rounds to potentially the be the #1, find the compliment in FA. Dez would be a good acquisition...

Can't disagree about Thomas though. His game relied far more on speed than Dez's did. Dez can still wear a defensive back down and can still climb the ladder. Something we sorely lack on this offense. Thomas was physical but more explosive.

I'd be all for Dez if he comes at the right price.

I still think we should draft a WR high regardless. Unless we can get a Julio Jones, only one man isn't going to do much.
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I agree about sacrificing OL for wr, but aren't we currently around 11 mil? Wouldn't extending Mosley lower the hit and assume Jensen gets about 5-7. With cuts I still think it's possible to make a move. As far as drafting a #1... Laughable with our track record. I'd rather go all in for Robinson, even though we don't even know we could get him, and draft complimentary pieces.
 
Would somebody please put a quarter in the merry go round. Wallace was a one trick pony turning 32. He is only gonna decline more. I absolutely don’t want Wallace back and tandem him up with a new has been. Next year we will be talking about same thing as EVERY YEAR!! Offense sucking and needing WRs. Nothing less than a WR in his prime. I would settle for Marqise or Richardson b4 a new wash up. I would prefer Brice Butler.
 
redrum52 said:
I agree about sacrificing OL for wr, but aren't we currently around 11 mil? Wouldn't extending Mosley lower the hit and assume Jensen gets about 5-7. With cuts I still think it's possible to make a move. As far as drafting a #1... Laughable with our track record. I'd rather go all in for Robinson, even though we don't even know we could get him, and draft complimentary pieces.
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If we make the right cuts alone we can open up about 10 mil. Which is inevitable tbh.

And with our draft position and the fact that the best WR in this class is from Bama.. We might break that streak this year. It's bound to happen at some point
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
I have 0 faith in Alex Lewis at G(he sucked) and would much rather not create another hole on an already weaker unit. The New Giants proved it this offseason. You pick WR corps over Oline, your offense is going to suck. No thank you. An offseason where we keep Jense, keep Wallace, keep Watson, and get a Dez Bryant(or Crabtree, or Richardson, or Lee) on a discount along with drafting a Calvin Ridley/Cortland Sutton in round one, with a Dallas Godert or Mike Gesicki in round two would be my ideal offseason..
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Nice post but please delete Watson Wallace and Dez. Aside from that I actually agree!! And Crabtree most of all
 
Sledge Hammer said:
Nice post but please delete Watson Wallace and Dez. Aside from that I actually agree!! And Crabtree most of all
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Great idea! Let's have nobody at TE(and outside of Gronk and Hunter Henry they tend to not contribute at that position as a rookie) at rely on a player that's even worse in Moore than Wallace. Let's get rid of the two actual contributors, no matter how inconsistent they are.

See what I mean? We might not have a choice. The corps can be fixed. It's just going to take more than one guy, hell even two.
 
Isaiah Wynn is gonna be a total steal. He could replace Jensen and we have Yanda returning. We aren’t gonna get many opportunities at a legit No.1 WR in his prime. A potential top 3 WR that the offense can feed off of!! Come on, He carried Blake Bortles to the pro bowl!! And got Hackrnbeeg drafted in early round2!! He has as much raw skill as AJ Green and Julio Jones. Jensen can be replaced far more efficient than a True game breaker WR
 
redrum52 said:
I agree about sacrificing OL for wr, but aren't we currently around 11 mil? Wouldn't extending Mosley lower the hit and assume Jensen gets about 5-7. With cuts I still think it's possible to make a move. As far as drafting a #1... Laughable with our track record. I'd rather go all in for Robinson, even though we don't even know we could get him, and draft complimentary pieces.
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We have only drafted two wr in the first two rounds since Flacco was drafted. One is a bust and one was pretty decent with us. I’ve always felt that mantra was overblown.
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
Great idea! Let's have nobody at TE(and outside of Gronk and Hunter Henry they tend to not contribute at that position as a rookie) at rely on a player that's even worse in Moore than Wallace. Let's get rid of the two actual contributors, no matter how inconsistent they are.

See what I mean? We might not have a choice. The corps can be fixed. It's just going to take more than one guy, hell even two.
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Good Watson at 40 should compare with a rookie TEs production. Wallace and Watson contribute to a bottom throwing attack. What are u really losing?? At least a young TE u are moving forward. If Wallace is your No1 or co NO.1 and Watson is the TE what are u gonna win??
 
@RavensMania I meant trusting him to draft a #1 wr, not picking a wr with the first pick and, though, I do SLIGHTLY agree with you, his track record is still terrible. His whole time here he's drafted at best, 5 great offensive weapons, 1 we didn't even keep, Priest. Outside of that the only real notables are Heap, Pitta*, Rice and Jamal. You can count Torrey too, I guess, so 6 in how many years isn't exactly a reason for me to believe we'll finally get it right. Even as an odds game you should be able to find something late eventually.
 
redrum52 said:
@RavensMania I meant trusting him to draft a #1 wr, not picking a wr with the first pick and, though, I do SLIGHTLY agree with you, his track record is still terrible. His whole time here he's drafted at best, 5 great offensive weapons, 1 we didn't even keep, Priest. Outside of that the only real notables are Heap, Pitta*, Rice and Jamal. You can count Torrey too, I guess, so 6 in how many years isn't exactly a reason for me to believe we'll finally get it right. Even as an odds game you should be able to find something late eventually.
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Look who we have had at qb prior to Flacco. Flacco needs more weapons, agree, but I believe he can draft WRs, we just draft defense with out early picks a lot. I posted something earlier in the week that shows winning teams, for the most part, draft defensive players in the early rounds a large percentage.
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
I have 0 faith in Alex Lewis at G(he sucked) and would much rather not create another hole on an already weaker unit. The New Giants proved it this offseason. You pick WR corps over Oline, your offense is going to suck. No thank you. An offseason where we keep Jense, keep Wallace, keep Watson, and get a Dez Bryant(or Crabtree, or Richardson, or Lee) on a discount along with drafting a Calvin Ridley/Cortland Sutton in round one, with a Dallas Godert or Mike Gesicki in round two would be my ideal offseason..
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For what we will have to give up, Robinson is totally worth it. He solves nearly all of our issues by himself. Of course we would have to add depth at the position and I think in that instance Wallace will be shown the door. Not to be rude because I appreciate what Wallace has done here but he's not close to what Robinson is. Losing Jensen would hurt but Robinson would solve more issues on our offense then what Jensen would.

Robinson might be a pipe dream, but I'm giving him all my money if we can legit get him here. I'm really curious to see what his value is on the FA market is.

Besides, I don't think Lewis is that bad as an G. He wasn't a scheme fit for the OL last year. It's not good to take a guy who was a power blocker with not so fast feet who doesn't usually function in space and put him in a ZBS and expect him to excel. I mean, Jensen didn't just wake up one morning and all the sudden knew how to play C. We badly needed physical play in the middle of the OL and someone who can push the pocket for years. And yet, Jensen was always behind Zuttah when we knew that by far and away, Jensen is the more physical player. Zuttah had a better feel for zone assignment and where to block. That's what it comes down to. When the scheme switches, Jensen is our starting C, and Zuttah is cut.

Hurst and Skura have done well for themselves in this scheme, I don't see why Lewis can't be any better. I can recall last season when Lewis missed time and the coaches were happy to have him back.
 
Sledge Hammer said:
Totally agree!! And I really like Isaiah Wynn!! He is gonna he a very good guard, pro bowl caliber center and can play tackle if necessary!! He isn’t that big. But he is very powerful for his size, athletic and aggressive. He is gonna be an absolute steal in round3!! He is a more athletic and better technician version of Shaq mason.
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Totally, I'm a huge Isaiah Wynn fan and I would be happy if we took him round 2 honestly. He's definitely worth it there. Round 3 might be a stretch but we get him there I would be throwing chairs every where.
 
RavensMania said:
We have only drafted two wr in the first two rounds since Flacco was drafted. One is a bust and one was pretty decent with us. I’ve always felt that mantra was overblown.
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It could be, but I mean, you should at least have some decent young talent at some point. We've just never been able to draft a WR round 1-7 who was worth keeping around. Ozzie obviously can draft very well but I do think it falls on him just not hitting on the picks. Also, not picking them is not an excuse to avoid them. If you don't pick them that could easily mean you failed to recognize the talent that was on the board. Not being able to see the talent at WR is why I do raise suspicions of his ability to draft them for the most part.
 
I just hope we can resign Jensen at a reasonable price. He was a decent Center and I like how he upsets players on opposing defenses.
 
cobrajet said:
I just hope we can resign Jensen at a reasonable price. He was a decent Center and I like how he upsets players on opposing defenses.
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I agree, but I, not overpaying for him either. If he wants too much money, I’ll let him walk, use Skura at Center or draft a guard / Center such as Price and use the saved money to sign a top notch fa wr.
 
Dom McRaven said:
Is Allen Robinson going to even make it to free agency though?
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Probably will hit free agency. It already is paying Hurns. Has to sign telvin Smith and pay Blake Bortles. And feels very confident about its skilled rookie receivers Cole and Westbrook. And Jacksonville is rumored to be looking for oline help in free agency.
 
alright tar and feather me but I am not exactly set on singing Robinson or Juice. I think Crabtree/ D.T could be great for us. Not sold on dez. Production he is decent, but his ego and attitude sucks. I actually can’t picture him in purple. (Legit I can’t see the image) plus he has domestic abuse shit so not likely. Crabtree is a red zone monster. I think we need a wr in the top 2 rounds still. Would be much cheaper than a free agent guy. I think ilb and our own guys could be more important in free agency
 
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