2018 Free Agency

[Sledge Hammer]

I don't think people get it. The receiving corps was so pathetic last season that the hypothetical that several others and myself are proposing would still be a SIGNIFICANT improvement. Mike Wallace was our most reliable option in the passing game and he's nothing more than a deep threat. What does that tell you? Like literally.

An offseason of
Emmanuel Sanders
DJ Moore
Isiah Wynn
Hayden Hurst


And the offense improves IN SPADES. Yanda is coming back too. That offense isn't elite but it could do something that our offense straight up couldn't do for the first half of the season. That offense could probably get the job done

I wish Yanda well but he will be 34. DJ Moore is gonna be a rookie. If he is good he may not show it til his sophomore year. And there is no guarantees. It would be better to fix WR in free agency and if a rookie bursts on the scene the offense will be that much more awesome.

 

[Sandtown]

Ravens fans already talking themselves into a 30+ receiver not declined lol. You know your managements tricks. His routes were so good cuz of his explosion and suddenness. Broncos coaches and fans blame the offensive probs with a decline in the WRs skill sets as much as the QBs. The coaches and Elway watch them every day and I think would see a decline in their skills. Nobody dumps a top shelf NO.2 in his prime unless drama or diminishing skills. Elway is playing it smart and dumping him b4 anybody else recognizes it. His 2016 was subpar. But I understand it serves your interests to believe he is the same player he was 5 yrs ago. And blame his decline line all on his QBs. Elway is in a rush to dump him and find his 25 yr old version in free agency looking for opportunity

It's been mention that The Broncos are rumored to be willing to part with Demaryius Thomas or Emmanuel Sanders(not both). The Broncos are expected to have 26 million in cap space but Thomas would save them 7 million towards the cap and Sanders would save them 5 million towards cap if cut or traded. It also seems quite likely The Broncos will part ways with Aqib Talib(still one of the better cornerback in the league by the way) which could save them 11 million towards the cap. So overall it seems like getting rid of Thomas/ Sanders to go along with Talib would allow The Broncos to reach 40 million in cap space. You said nobody dumps a top shelf no.2 receiver in their prime which may be true but I think such a statement is irrelevant when a team is in a run for a franchise quarterback. The Broncos are going to definitely need that 40 million in cap space if they are indeed interested in signing Kirk Cousin especially knowing that teams like The Vikings, Cardinals, Browns and Jets are going to interested in Cousin as well.

Having a top shelf number 2 receiver really means nothing if the team has a terrible quarterback and that's exactly what The Broncos had last year.

 

[rossihunter2]

It's been mention that The Broncos are rumored to be willing to part with Demaryius Thomas or Emmanuel Sanders(not both). The Broncos are expected to have 26 million in cap space but Thomas would save them 7 million towards the cap and Sanders would save them 5 million towards cap if cut or traded. It also seems quite likely The Broncos will part ways with Aqib Talib(still one of the better cornerback in the league by the way) which could save them 11 million towards the cap. So overall it seems like getting rid of Thomas/ Sanders to go along with Talib would allow The Broncos to reach 40 million in cap space. You said nobody dumps a top shelf no.2 receiver in their prime which may be true but I think such a statement is irrelevant when a team is in a run for a franchise quarterback. The Broncos are going to definitely need that 40 million in cap space if they are indeed interested in signing Kirk Cousin especially knowing that teams like The Vikings, Cardinals, Browns and Jets are going to interested in Cousin as well.

Having a top shelf number 2 receiver really means nothing if the team has a terrible quarterback and that's exactly what The Broncos had last year.

they're actively shopping trevor siemian too - and if they do open up all this cap space and then sign cousins... then they still have the 5th pick in the draft plus a ton of other draft picks to throw at receiver or oline - in the ravens eyes the worst possible outcome of free agency is cousins going to the broncos because it will take another playmaker off the board

 

[Sledge Hammer]

It's been mention that The Broncos are rumored to be willing to part with Demaryius Thomas or Emmanuel Sanders(not both). The Broncos are expected to have 26 million in cap space but Thomas would save them 7 million towards the cap and Sanders would save them 5 million towards cap if cut or traded. It also seems quite likely The Broncos will part ways with Aqib Talib(still one of the better cornerback in the league by the way) which could save them 11 million towards the cap. So overall it seems like getting rid of Thomas/ Sanders to go along with Talib would allow The Broncos to reach 40 million in cap space. You said nobody dumps a top shelf no.2 receiver in their prime which may be true but I think such a statement is irrelevant when a team is in a run for a franchise quarterback. The Broncos are going to definitely need that 40 million in cap space if they are indeed interested in signing Kirk Cousin especially knowing that teams like The Vikings, Cardinals, Browns and Jets are going to interested in Cousin as well.

Having a top shelf number 2 receiver really means nothing if the team has a terrible quarterback and that's exactly what The Broncos had last year.

And what about when that top shelf No.2 is 30+ with diminishing skills. That means he is now a run of the mill No.2. If Cousins is signed by the Broncos and Sanders is discarded like the declining empty beer can he is. You could bet your ass Elway is gonna sign a young up and coming receiver. Cuz he isn’t gonna throw $25mil per year at a QB. And have less of a supporting cast to help him succeed. He is gonna sign a young up an coming version of Sanders to grow with Cousins. Elway isn’t discarding Sanders only for a QB. He is discarding Sanders to upgrade at WR to. And use that money to sign Paul Richardson, Marqise Lee or Brice Butler.

BTW the Broncos QB play improved when Latimer began taking reps from the 30 yr old vets with diminishing skills. Everybody knows ravens management always zones in on cheap declining cap cuts. And already convincing yourselves Sanders isn’t in decline. If he was the receiver he was 5 yrs ago he would be kept around to help the new QB. Cuz Broncos management watches these players every day and knows who is in decline. Elway would not be trying to dump’em on some sucker if he was the player he was 5 yrs ago. And broncos fans place as much blame on the receivers with diminishing skills as the QB.

 

[RavensMania]

they're actively shopping trevor siemian too - and if they do open up all this cap space and then sign cousins... then they still have the 5th pick in the draft plus a ton of other draft picks to throw at receiver or oline - in the ravens eyes the worst possible outcome of free agency is cousins going to the broncos because it will take another playmaker off the board

or any team that is picking in front of us. Of course those teams could well trade down and a QB would still be taken off the board.
Best case scenario is Cousins to the Vikings.

 

[JO_75]

New Report from Rotoworld says we are going to let James Hurst walk and let Jensen test free agency.

 

[rossihunter2]

New Report from Rotoworld says we are going to let James Hurst walk and let Jensen test free agency.

either this report is false because it goes against what the team have stated they want to do
or... both these guys wanted hella money that we did not want to give them

 

[Sandtown]

And what about when that top shelf No.2 is 30+ with diminishing skills. That means he is now a run of the mill No.2. If Cousins is signed by the Broncos and Sanders is discarded like the declining empty beer can he is. You could bet your ass Elway is gonna sign a young up and coming receiver. Cuz he isn’t gonna throw $25mil per year at a QB. And have less of a supporting cast to help him succeed. He is gonna sign a young up an coming version of Sanders to grow with Cousins. Elway isn’t discarding Sanders only for a QB. He is discarding Sanders to upgrade at WR to. And use that money to sign Paul Richardson, Marqise Lee or Brice Butler.

BTW the Broncos QB play improved when Latimer began taking reps from the 30 yr old vets with diminishing skills. Everybody knows ravens management always zones in on cheap declining cap cuts. And already convincing yourselves Sanders isn’t in decline. If he was the receiver he was 5 yrs ago he would be kept around to help the new QB. Cuz Broncos management watches these players every day and knows who is in decline. Elway would not be trying to dump’em on some sucker if he was the player he was 5 yrs ago. And broncos fans place as much blame on the receivers with diminishing skills as the QB.

Cody Latimer got most of his playing time when Emmanuel Sanders wasn't able to play due to injuries. The idea that you seem to be saying that Latimer beat out Sanders for offensive snaps is a stretch. The rest you said concerning how the quarterback play improved when Latimer began taking reps from Sanders is something I need you to prove with some links.

 

[Edgar]

I don't think people get it. The receiving corps was so pathetic last season that the hypothetical that several others and myself are proposing would still be a SIGNIFICANT improvement. Mike Wallace was our most reliable option in the passing game and he's nothing more than a deep threat. What does that tell you? Like literally.

An offseason of
Emmanuel Sanders
DJ Moore
Isiah Wynn
Hayden Hurst


And the offense improves IN SPADES. Yanda is coming back too. That offense isn't elite but it could do something that our offense straight up couldn't do for the first half of the season. That offense could probably get the job done

I don't think anyone could question that we are in need of receivers, clearly. It's just that everything offensively begins up front. I'm not breaking any ground with that sentiment.

It's necessary to build this team for the future and not solely reside in next year as some sort of last ditch effort.
I'm all for getting the best wr we can bring in but frankly, outside of Ridley, there isn't a wideout I'd take in the first round.

I'd like the 1/2 of Wynn/Moore by the way

 

[Adreme]

either this report is false because it goes against what the team have stated they want to do
or... both these guys wanted hella money that we did not want to give them

I mean lets be honest Jensen is going to get paid a crazy amount. There is nothing that the Ravens can do about it and whatever offer he ends up taking will be far more than what Ravens should be able to pay.

 

[DeVito52]

I mean lets be honest Jensen is going to get paid a crazy amount. There is nothing that the Ravens can do about it and whatever offer he ends up taking will be far more than what Ravens should be able to pay.

I don’t really think this will be the case tbh. Don’t think he will break the bank at all

 

[Edgar]

Is Jawuan james a free agent?

 

[RavensMania]

Is Jawuan james a free agent?

Yes

 

[Edgar]

Yes

Thanks

 

[Dom McRaven]

New Report from Rotoworld says we are going to let James Hurst walk and let Jensen test free agency.

either this report is false because it goes against what the team have stated they want to do
or... both these guys wanted hella money that we did not want to give them

I think it'll be the latter if either or both players leave. We better hope that Goose and whoever we can get in the offseason is ready on day 1 if this is the case.

 

[Adreme]

I don’t really think this will be the case tbh. Don’t think he will break the bank at all

I was pretty sure about this before, but I truly did not appreciate how badly teams need OL help until we started this draft game and I started looking around the league and well ya, Jensen is basically in HIGH demand.

 

[rossihunter2]

I was pretty sure about this before, but I truly did not appreciate how badly teams need OL help until we started this draft game and I started looking around the league and well ya, Jensen is basically in HIGH demand.

there's been a dearth of quality lineman in the league for a few years and it really came to a head a couple of years ago and its massively inflated OL contracts - it's why having rookie contracts and high picks on the Oline are superpowered (only below qb rookie contracts in my opinion) in terms of value for money - and if you can land a mid-late round pick who starts at an average or above level then you've hit the jackpot because you get quality play at a position of overall weakness in the league and you likely get a higher comp pick when they inevitably get overpaid

 

[Edgar]

At times he looked ok as a blocker. At times he did an adequate job on edge rushers. Add 40lbs to him and focused on blocking specifically without catching to take away his focus on becoming a good blocker and he has an opportunity to be really good. He is 6’6 with 34” arms and huge 10 1/2” hands. If he comes in at 310-320lbs without losing much of his TE athleticism. He could be a really good Right Tackle. Ravens should sign him on a 2 yr $5millon backloaded contract.

We saw him beast linebackers trying to tackle him when he was 266 lbs. He has a chance to be the next Jason Peters. Not saying as good as Peters. But a TE turned good right tackle. If he comes in 310-320 lbs he will be as big or bigger than Hurst and Alex Lewis. And training a year with Bentley since his injury. He is gonna be stronger than Lewis and Hurst. And being a TE he is a far better athlete. His pros as a blocker was he mirrored and sustained very well. Doing that at 315 lbs could mean a dominant right tackle. The ravens are up for catching a break like that.




I know you didn’t. But if ravens follow the usual monologue of a cheaper cap cut vet with diminishing skills as their “Big WR free agent upgrade”. To tandem With some round2 rookie as their hyped WR moves. Then the offense isn’t gonna be much better. In that case it is gonna be middle of the pack average. Need to find a young skilled receiver looking for opportunity to be the lead NO.1

You see, I think a dominant line with a playmaker at RB is anything BUT average. Are we debating this? I'm not sure and I see no reason we wouldn't approach the draft this year with that in mind while at the same time bringing in a FA wideout and draft a solid two. Aside from my personal wish to build the oline, I'm pretty sure that's what is intended in FO land.

In any case, who is it you feel we should bring in at WR? what makes you concerned we wont?

 

[Sledge Hammer]

You see, I think a dominant line with a playmaker at RB is anything BUT average. Are we debating this? I'm not sure and I see no reason we wouldn't approach the draft this year with that in mind while at the same time bringing in a FA wideout and draft a solid two. Aside from my personal wish to build the oline, I'm pretty sure that's what is intended in FO land.

In any case, who is it you feel we should bring in at WR? what makes you concerned we wont?

I agree dude. I like building a dominant OLine. When it comes to receivers I'm not calling for Robinson Landry or Watkins. But ravens do need younger WRs in free agency that have skills and looking for opportunities to be the go to receiver. Players that can outplay their contract cost as well as hitting their prime. WRs that will get better with joe within the system every season.

My opinion signing these cap cuts with diminishing skills is borderline incompetence!! Every year looking for the next cap cut with diminishing skills to patch up the hole at WR. A good NO.2 receiver who is slowing down becomes an average No.2 or NO.3 once he is 31-32. It's irritating and never places the offense any better than average to a lil below average. So a young No.2 or a couple of young No.2 WRs looking for oppprtunity to be a No.1 is ideal and has a far better chance of building one of the better offenses in the league. Especially with a dominant Oline. And if the rookie performs well then the offense is even better.

 

[Oldfaithful]

Per rotoworld.. Carolina not franchising Andrew Norwell..

You know. That's a guy I'm okay with paying a lot of money for