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2018 Free Agency

Sledge Hammer said:
Cobb may only be 28 but he looks 40. Not impresssed he only dropped 2 throws and gets yards after catch when a receiver averages under 10 yards a catch. Some Fans are so desperate for a WR, would have an orgasm Cobb and Sanders. A tandem of unwanted receivers. Same routine every year. Sign some declining cap cut that played very well 4 yrs ago as the “big upgrade”. offense once again mediocre or sucks. Miss playoffs rinse repeat!!


Next year When ravens miss the playoffs. Some fans will wanna dump Joe. Some fans will be making excuses for him. And everybody will be talking about needing weapons. Cobb could maybe get 70 catches for 700 yards. But that’s not gonna put the offense over. Unless of course somebody is signed that could stress opponents like Brice Butler Marqise Lee or Paul Richardson. I would prefer to trade for some young receiver with potential breakout like Higgins, Malcolm Mitchell, Demarcus Robinson. Somebody whose best football could be yet to come. I don’t care what Higgins 40 time was. He plays fast!!
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I would love to land Marqise Lee but I think he is going to get paid big by either the Jets, Bears, or Colts.
 
redrum52 said:
There was hype about Maclin and Decker last year... I just go in not expecting much. If it works out I'll admit I was wrong. I did think Jacoby Jones was going to be a waste of money and turned out being one of our best FA moves I can remember.
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i dnt mind the hype, i just dont like the obvious. Jefferson obviously couldnt cover yet people here swore that he could. i wanted us to draft budda baker or hooker to play S for us. Yea but i was wrong about jacoby also. I thought he would onlu contribute to our special teams
 
redrum52 said:
There was hype about Maclin and Decker last year... I just go in not expecting much. If it works out I'll admit I was wrong. I did think Jacoby Jones was going to be a waste of money and turned out being one of our best FA moves I can remember.
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ill say this - i loved the maclin move at the time and didn't like the jefferson move - i wasn't sure about bringing back brandon williams at that money (although im glad he's here) but i was most happy with the woodhead move

so evaluate that how you will lol - it's not always the marquee guys who get me excited so much (although weddle and steve smith were hard not to be excited for)
 
Deebo813 said:
i dnt mind the hype, i just dont like the obvious. Jefferson obviously couldnt cover yet people here swore that he could. i wanted us to draft budda baker or hooker to play S for us. Yea but i was wrong about jacoby also. I thought he would onlu contribute to our special teams
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Just because Jefferson had a bad year coverage wise in his first year with The Ravens doesn't mean he can't cover. His coverage ability wasn't bad at all with The Arizona Cardinals . Some players take time to adjust to a new system, new team , and new environment. Elvis Dumervil didn't have his best season with The Ravens until his second season with the team.It's also reasonable to believe that Dean Pees didn't use Jefferson to his strengths consistently and hopefully Wink can.
 
Sandtown said:
.It's also reasonable to believe that Dean Pees didn't use Jefferson to his strengths consistently and hopefully Wink can.
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Yeah. Let's play the in the box safety who excelled covering TEs and in zone over the middle in Arizona, and yes Deebo, he WAS good in coverage there in single freaking high whereas we should have Weddle, who's usually damn good in single high, and him switch off.

Seriously. Dean did a lot of things that were questionable. The misuse of safeties and the misuse of the rookie LBs we got being the main two last season.
 
Deebo813 said:
i dnt mind the hype, i just dont like the obvious. Jefferson obviously couldnt cover yet people here swore that he could. i wanted us to draft budda baker or hooker to play S for us. Yea but i was wrong about jacoby also. I thought he would onlu contribute to our special teams
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I was a big fan of Budda Baker because of how well he was in coverage, however he wasn't good in coverage this year. I certainly hope it is due to the fact of him being a rookie.

That being said, Jefferson was played in multiple roles this year and did much better when he was used properly. It doesn't help when you have a player and don't use him to his strengths.
 
Sandtown said:
Just because Jefferson had a bad year coverage wise in his first year with The Ravens doesn't mean he can't cover. His coverage ability wasn't bad at all with The Arizona Cardinals . Some players take time to adjust to a new system, new team , and new environment. Elvis Dumervil didn't have his best season with The Ravens until his second season with the team.It's also reasonable to believe that Dean Pees didn't use Jefferson to his strengths consistently and hopefully Wink can.
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exactly that
 
RavensMania said:
I was a big fan of Budda Baker because of how well he was in coverage, however he wasn't good in coverage this year. I certainly hope it is due to the fact of him being a rookie.

That being said, Jefferson was played in multiple roles this year and did much better when he was used properly. It doesn't help when you have a player and don't use him to his strengths.
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Fire Dean Pees!!!!
 
allblackraven said:
Fire Dean Pees!!!!
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for those buried under a ......

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Sandtown said:
Just because Jefferson had a bad year coverage wise in his first year with The Ravens doesn't mean he can't cover. His coverage ability wasn't bad at all with The Arizona Cardinals . Some players take time to adjust to a new system, new team , and new environment. Elvis Dumervil didn't have his best season with The Ravens until his second season with the team.It's also reasonable to believe that Dean Pees didn't use Jefferson to his strengths consistently and hopefully Wink can.
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he also couldnt cover in arizona bro! Nothing he has done showed that he is good in cvg! Can he improve, yes...
 
RavensMania said:
I was a big fan of Budda Baker because of how well he was in coverage, however he wasn't good in coverage this year. I certainly hope it is due to the fact of him being a rookie.

That being said, Jefferson was played in multiple roles this year and did much better when he was used properly. It doesn't help when you have a player and don't use him to his strengths.
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with budda, we know he can cover and he has nice ball skills... jefferson has never shown that.
 
Sandtown said:
Just because Jefferson had a bad year coverage wise in his first year with The Ravens doesn't mean he can't cover. His coverage ability wasn't bad at all with The Arizona Cardinals . Some players take time to adjust to a new system, new team , and new environment. Elvis Dumervil didn't have his best season with The Ravens until his second season with the team.It's also reasonable to believe that Dean Pees didn't use Jefferson to his strengths consistently and hopefully Wink can.
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pees is a safety killer, his scheme has made many a safety look bad.
 
What does eveyone think of Albert Wilson, WR. He had a nice 2017 season with a 67.7% catch rate and had 42 for 554 yards. He's an underrated WR that no one seems to be talking about and could be someone the Ravens try to bring in.

Thoughts?
 
allblackraven said:
He makes football lot more complicated than it should be.
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Yeah this was one of the reasons I was glad he retired. :rolleyes: This and the fact that over and over again our rookies could barely get on the field. Add to it that wink should have a more aggressive scheme. I don't hate Pees, as he was well respected around the league, but I also believe change was overdue.
 
rossihunter2 said:
ill say this - i loved the maclin move at the time and didn't like the jefferson move - i wasn't sure about bringing back brandon williams at that money (although im glad he's here) but i was most happy with the woodhead move

so evaluate that how you will lol - it's not always the marquee guys who get me excited so much (although weddle and steve smith were hard not to be excited for)
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I initially said let both Wagner and Williams walk, but wasn't mad at Brandon's deal. DIdn't like understand the Jefferson pick up and never liked the Maclin move. Thought money spent on Jefferson would have been better served at WR or OL (not Wagner). Loved the SSS pick up and was meh on the Weddle move.
 
RavensMania said:
actually, this couldn't be further from the truth.
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Actually what he said is on point. Jefferson did well in coverage in Arizona. However his coverage duties were very very limited. However he did flash the instincts and athleticism. Problem is it was very rare cuz he was used as a box safety. Ravens believed the rare instances he was asked to cover TE’s, intermediate and deep could hold up on a much larger scale. But it looks as if he can not cover. Ravens thinking was Arizona put their cornerbacks on an island and Honey Badger patrolled the intermediate and deep sections. So believed Jefferson could cover but it wasn’t his job cuz it wasn’t what Arizona needed him for.

So management in a sense thought it was getting a bargain with Jefferson. Cuz management believed if Arizona asked him to cover more often that he woulda done it successfully at an elite level. And woulda costed far more money in free agency. He showed good closing burst and instincts at the line of scrimmage. And flashed adequate athleticism with those instincts in rare instances he was asked to patrol in coverage. However as everybody agrees now he can’t play coverage on a larger scale as anticipated. And he was mistake signing.

I know everybody likes to bash Peas. And blame him for the defense not being dominant. And I read the threads around here blaming him for Jefferson sucking so bad. Saying BS like he used Jefferson wrong. He didn’t play him to his strengths. When in reality, anybody believe ravens signed him to franchise money to be a box safety?? Signed a box safety franchise money in the modern throw happy nfl?? And the thought management signed him to play near the line of scrimmage. Yet Peas played him in coverage is ridiculous. Management and coaches thoroughly discussed his role b4 signing tony Jefferson. Everybody mistakenly thought he could play coverage on a larger scale routine basis and were wrong!! Weddle wasn’t planned for that role. Play Weddle at his age at free safety and see what happens!!

Harball Ozzie and Decosta beliieved Jefferson could play free safety. Bruce Arians himself strongly hinted he would not pay Tony Jefferson that kinda money after ravens signed him. And that he wasn’t good for anything more than the role Arizona used him for. That shoulda been an aggressive hint/smack upside the face that Jefferson was not gonna succeed in a coverage role. In the modern NFL even Strong Safety’s adequate in man and zone coverage are desired. You could be sure ravens would not have paid him nearly $10million a year if management and coaches realized he would struggle in coverage and patrolling intermediate and deep sections. Management and coaches overestimated his skills and pontential. And he was a a terrible signing. Only thing u could throw on Peas is he coulda been part of the collective notion that he could succeed playing coverage
 
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