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2018 Free Agency

I wanted Dez so much more than Snead. Whoever Dez plays for is going to get a 1000 yard receiver next year and he is my pound the table player for a big year.
 
Wouldn't it be some shit is Marty turns out being the best OC in the league now. God that would be the irony of all ironies.
 
Somerset Ravens said:
I think if we trade our first round pick to the Pats getting their 1(23) and 2(63) or getting their 1(31) and 2(43) would be very good value.
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trade value chart numbers wise, yes that is correct. However we are essentially trading into 2nd round value territory and they would be trading up for a QB. Essentially, if they want one of these QB's they have to give up more than we are giving up and that's an additional pick to sweeten deal.
 
RavensMania said:
trade value chart numbers wise, yes that is correct. However we are essentially trading into 2nd round value territory and they would be trading up for a QB. Essentially, if they want one of these QB's they have to give up more than we are giving up and that's an additional pick to sweeten deal.
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If we do trade with the Patriots I hope you are correct.
 
I'm thrilled we ended up with Snead. Not only is he a much better fit for us, but has much better hands and the contract is cap friendly. We need to be responsible as a team with the cap so we don't have limited space every year. Not only that but if we did end up with Dez, who is 29 yo and Crabtree is over 30. We need a combination of youth and veterans. Now Snead is only 25, Brown is still 25 and a rookie we bring in will still be young also. Snead can work on the outside as well as the slot. I'm much happier with Snead then Dez who has caught 50% of the balls that have been catchable and is not creating the separation he once did. Snead on the other hand knows how to create separation.
 
RavensMania said:
trade value chart numbers wise, yes that is correct. However we are essentially trading into 2nd round value territory and they would be trading up for a QB. Essentially, if they want one of these QB's they have to give up more than we are giving up and that's an additional pick to sweeten deal.
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the trade value charts are all out of date tbh

the best i could find (and its still not perfect throughout and kind of needs the context of the rest of the article it comes with) was actually from a pats fan
https://www.patspulpit.com/2017/4/2...ating-a-brand-new-nfl-draft-value-trade-chart

my best guess is that if we moved back to the 22nd/23rd pick range we'd need a 2nd rounder somewhere between 50 and 60 to make it worth our while - also depends on who the team is trading up for
 
rossihunter2 said:
do we know what the guarantees are in the snead contract?
10.4 is 800k more than meredith got but meredith got 5.4 guaranteed...

either way its a contract in the right kind of region for what he should be getting - and its just enough money that the saints would be borderline suicidal to match it given their cap space...
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Those numbers haven't been released yet
 
RavensMania said:
Those numbers haven't been released yet
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haha - they have been "released" by schefter

7m in base salary, 2m in signing bonus and 3.4 m in incentives...

probably 2-3m base year 1 and 4-5m base year 2 which would make his cap hit 3-4m this year id imagine - obviously if he hits those incentives the contract goes up in value (but youve got to assume those incentives would make him worthy of those larger cap hits)
 
rossihunter2 said:
haha - they have been "released" by schefter

7m in base salary, 2m in signing bonus and 3.4 m in incentives...

probably 2-3m base year 1 and 4-5m base year 2 which would make his cap hit 3-4m this year id imagine - obviously if he hits those incentives the contract goes up in value (but youve got to assume those incentives would make him worthy of those larger cap hits)
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That’s an extremely team friendly deal. Never doubt, schefter always has the numbers
 
RavensMania said:
I'm thrilled we ended up with Snead. Not only is he a much better fit for us, but has much better hands and the contract is cap friendly. We need to be responsible as a team with the cap so we don't have limited space every year. Not only that but if we did end up with Dez, who is 29 yo and Crabtree is over 30. We need a combination of youth and veterans. Now Snead is only 25, Brown is still 25 and a rookie we bring in will still be young also. Snead can work on the outside as well as the slot. I'm much happier with Snead then Dez who has caught 50% of the balls that have been catchable and is not creating the separation he once did. Snead on the other hand knows how to create separation.
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Hate to break it to you but this is flat out wrong. Not even close. He caught 52% of all targets. Only 60% of all targets were catchable.

If you are talking catchable targets, Dez caught 87% of those last year.
 
DeVito52 said:
Hate to break it to you but this is flat out wrong. Not even close. He caught 52% of all targets. Only 60% of all targets were catchable.

If you are talking catchable targets, Dez caught 87% of those last year.
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You arr correct, sir. Everyone gets on Dez but the dropoff is more attributable to the QB throwing to him.
 
redrum52 said:
I'd still take Robinson over these 3.
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I wouldn't. if it was Robinson vs one of them, then it's no contest. But Robinson or an entire above average receiving corp, I'll take the latter. Too many times our passing offense has been shut down by the other team just double covering our one good WR.
 
RaineV1 said:
I wouldn't. if it was Robinson vs one of them, then it's no contest. But Robinson or an entire above average receiving corp, I'll take the latter. Too many times our passing offense has been shut down by the other team just double covering our one good WR.
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NYSE5 said:
Above average?
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Crabtree is a legit number 2 (hell, he was the Raiders' number 1 while Amari was having issues last year), Snead has been a successful slot receiver for awhile (barring last year with injuries and a suspension), and Brown is twice the deep threat Wallace was. The three combined are a decent group, especially if we throw in a rookie WR from the first three rounds.
 
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