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Jacquouille said:
Nope, Barkley has nothing to do with it. He showed it at the Senior Bowl, showed it when Barkley was bottled up.
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Right but at the senior bowl his seperation was won through his size/length and ability to catch the ball at its highest point, they were all still contested but he uses his body to sheild the defender and make a catch, he wasnt winning reps through his speed and route running ability
 
Jacquouille said:
Lol my ass they're going to say out loud their plan for the draft.
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Lol I remember when we were picking in the too 10 and they kept repeating 'we will draft a playmaker, that's guaranteed' and we ended up with Stanley (while by definition, a playmaker is someone making a play with the ball or on the passer, unlike an OT).
Sure they had tried to jump up a few spot to get one but that was still the result, clashing with what they had 'promised'.
 
Italian Raven said:
Lol I remember when we were picking in the too 10 and they kept repeating 'we will draft a playmaker, that's guaranteed' and we ended up with Stanley (while by definition, a playmaker is someone making a play with the ball or on the passer, unlike an OT).
Sure they had tried to jump up a few spot to get one but that was still the result, clashing with what they had 'promised'.
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That draft played out a little odd. Everyone ecpected Tunsil at 3 and that would have given Ravens Bosa or Ramsey, but forunately the top 6 picks worked out for literally every team and I think they would go in the same order if redrafted even if you shuffle order
 
Italian Raven said:
Lol I remember when we were picking in the too 10 and they kept repeating 'we will draft a playmaker, that's guaranteed' and we ended up with Stanley (while by definition, a playmaker is someone making a play with the ball or on the passer, unlike an OT).
Sure they had tried to jump up a few spot to get one but that was still the result, clashing with what they had 'promised'.
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Try not to continuously hit post when it is taking time to post. Just hit refresh and the post will be there.
 
Italian Raven said:
Sorry man.. I'm still travelling abroad and have almost 0 connection..i thought that was because of me and it wouldn't effect the post itself.. Pardon
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not a problem. No, think it's a server issue. Workaround is to refresh each time you post. Hopefully the issue is fixed soon.
 
Ravensnation5220 said:
Why does everyone hate on Lamar Jackson so much? Yet Baker Mayfeild gets all this hype about going top 10???? Makes no sense to me
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the different ways they view the field and the way they throw and read the game - i think its weird that people would compare them tbh - they are completely different styles of qb
 
rossihunter2 said:
the different ways they view the field and the way they throw and read the game - i think its weird that people would compare them tbh - they are completely different styles of qb
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I get that but when it comes to potential wouldnt you say Jackson has more than Baker. I mean hes nearly 3 years younger and has less off feild concerns. Also won the heisman at 19 years old. Baker had a much better suppprting cast throughout his career and played a lower level of competition. Meanwhile idiots like Bill Polian say Jackson needs to switch to WR?
 
Ravensnation5220 said:
I get that but when it comes to potential wouldnt you say Jackson has more than Baker. I mean hes nearly 3 years younger and has less off feild concerns. Also won the heisman at 19 years old. Baker had a much better suppprting cast throughout his career and played a lower level of competition. Meanwhile idiots like Bill Polian say Jackson needs to switch to WR?
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Honestly in all fairness, Jackson is probably the most explosive guy in this class, I can’t blame people for wanting him to be at a skill position where his explosiveness could be used the best.

However, people seem to forget how absolutely dominant Mike Vick was. Like holy shit watching that man play and tease and juke defenders, AND be able to light them up with his arm? If Jackson can come close to being what Vick was in his prime, or even those couple seasons with the Eagles, he can be special. He’s got a lot to work on as a QB though.
 
Ravensnation5220 said:
I get that but when it comes to potential wouldnt you say Jackson has more than Baker. I mean hes nearly 3 years younger and has less off feild concerns. Also won the heisman at 19 years old. Baker had a much better suppprting cast throughout his career and played a lower level of competition. Meanwhile idiots like Bill Polian say Jackson needs to switch to WR?
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i wouldnt say he necessarily has more potential than baker - i have serious concerns about jackson's accuracy and arm strength and frame in the nfl which i dont have about baker (i also dont really see baker's off-field "concerns" as concerning)

bill polian's an idiot because obviously jackson is a qb but i dont see jackson as necessarily being higher potential - jackson is a qb who doesnt fit as many systems and with many larger questions around him as desaun watson

jackson's likely gonna get a lot of media coverage when he gets in the league because he'll make plays no other qb can make - but he'll have to because he'll make mistakes that no other qb will make

and he's only gonna be able to go to a team that is willing to run RPO concepts a lot in year 1 and build around jackson (like bill obrien did with watson)

as for trubisky vs watson - i didnt rank qbs on my board last year because it was overtly for the ravens and we werent drafting a qb up top - so i graded them and put them to the side but i had the same grades on trubisky, watson and mahomes and ultimately i think all 3 are gonna be successful - Trubisky i expect to improve along the jared goff lines with a young offensive mind at head coach a load of weapons being put around him and a lot less pressure to compete for a job, watson has already shown incredibly playmaking and dynamism and i expect him to have a wentz-like improvement to ascend to become a star around the league and mahomes looks like he could be special with the chiefs who have tooled up for him to succeed
 
I honstly think Lamar Jacksons innacuracies stem from his footwork. His base us almost always too narrow whuch forces him to get all his strength from his arm in his throws. I dont see his frame as an issue as it wasnt for Vick and not many people see Rosens frame as an issue so what gives?

When it comes to scheme fit, i think teams need to scheme around Lamar Jacksons strengths just like Houston did for Watson. Put him in the most comfortable offense, give him easy reads, and just let him ball.

I just hate the narrative thats out there that there are only the "top 4" qbs and Lamar Jackson is left out of that convo. He should at least be in the conversation for what he brings to the table.
 
Ravensnation5220 said:
I honstly think Lamar Jacksons innacuracies stem from his footwork. His base us almost always too narrow whuch forces him to get all his strength from his arm in his throws. I dont see his frame as an issue as it wasnt for Vick and not many people see Rosens frame as an issue so what gives?

When it comes to scheme fit, i think teams need to scheme around Lamar Jacksons strengths just like Houston did for Watson. Put him in the most comfortable offense, give him easy reads, and just let him ball.

I just hate the narrative thats out there that there are only the "top 4" qbs and Lamar Jackson is left out of that convo. He should at least be in the conversation for what he brings to the table.
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i think part of the reason for his narrow base though is that he's always looking to move outside of the pocket and he scrambles to run in stead of pass which naturally i think narrows his base and creates the weird footwork

and the only reason i see his frame as an issue is because i foresee him becoming a runner more often than rosen and taking hits that other qbs dont regularly take - it's most likely fine but it only takes 1 hit - if he learns how to slide well and time the slide well then its gonna be a lot less of a problem

and in terms of scheme fit i agree that teams need to build a scheme around what he knows and around him as a threat outside the pocket but as a comp with watson in houston i dont think he has as many strengths as watson to build around

and if im honest i talk about the 4 qbs because i think they are the 4 with the highest floor - tbh i see allen as more comparable to jackson than the other 3 because they both have elite physical traits but histories of inaccuracy - allen gets the edge because of his work from under centre

but rosen, darnold and mayfield i think quite clearly (to me at least) are much safer prospects than jackson (and allen) which is why i categorise them differently
 
rossihunter2 said:
i think part of the reason for his narrow base though is that he's always looking to move outside of the pocket and he scrambles to run in stead of pass which naturally i think narrows his base and creates the weird footwork

and the only reason i see his frame as an issue is because i foresee him becoming a runner more often than rosen and taking hits that other qbs dont regularly take - it's most likely fine but it only takes 1 hit - if he learns how to slide well and time the slide well then its gonna be a lot less of a problem

and in terms of scheme fit i agree that teams need to build a scheme around what he knows and around him as a threat outside the pocket but as a comp with watson in houston i dont think he has as many strengths as watson to build around

and if im honest i talk about the 4 qbs because i think they are the 4 with the highest floor - tbh i see allen as more comparable to jackson than the other 3 because they both have elite physical traits but histories of inaccuracy - allen gets the edge because of his work from under centre

but rosen, darnold and mayfield i think quite clearly (to me at least) are much safer prospects than jackson (and allen) which is why i categorise them differently
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Idk. Im opposite what the consensus is for some reason. I have major questions about Darnold and i think Rosen is a bit of a smart ass, i just dont like him personally. He seems entitled and arrogant, just rubs me the wrong way for some reason. Going back to Darnold, I feel like a lot of the same excuses being made for Darnold for struggling this past year can also be made for Allen these past 2 years. Im not sure Darnold has the charisma to lead a team which is what everyone raves about...smh. Hes honestly probably more boring to listen to than Flacco (Joe has his moments at least, especially recently).
Call me crazy but I think Allen is a cant miss prospect. Hes got the attitude and work ethic you look for in an NFL QB, im not sure why but i see something special with Allen just like i saw it with Desean Watson. They just make their teams better no matter who is on the team. I think Allen was honestly on the worst team in that conference and the only reason they won was because of him.

Same can be said for Lamar Jackson. He really carried that Louisville team and doesnt have many NFL caliber players to work with. Darnold, Mayfeild, and somewhat Rosen(great recruits poor coaching at UCLA) always had the best recruits in the country. If you put an NFL offense in front of Lamar Jackson and a play book that fits to his strengths he will thrive.

And when you watch the tape he DOES NOT scramble to run. His eyes are always down feild and most of the time when its pass he passes. A lot of his big runs come from designed runs, he stayed true to the system set in place for him at Lousiville.
 
Ravensnation5220 said:
Idk. Im opposite what the consensus is for some reason. I have major questions about Darnold and i think Rosen is a bit of a smart ass, i just dont like him personally. He seems entitled and arrogant, just rubs me the wrong way for some reason. Going back to Darnold, I feel like a lot of the same excuses being made for Darnold for struggling this past year can also be made for Allen these past 2 years. Im not sure Darnold has the charisma to lead a team which is what everyone raves about...smh. Hes honestly probably more boring to listen to than Flacco (Joe has his moments at least, especially recently).
Call me crazy but I think Allen is a cant miss prospect. Hes got the attitude and work ethic you look for in an NFL QB, im not sure why but i see something special with Allen just like i saw it with Desean Watson. They just make their teams better no matter who is on the team. I think Allen was honestly on the worst team in that conference and the only reason they won was because of him.

Same can be said for Lamar Jackson. He really carried that Louisville team and doesnt have many NFL caliber players to work with. Darnold, Mayfeild, and somewhat Rosen(great recruits poor coaching at UCLA) always had the best recruits in the country. If you put an NFL offense in front of Lamar Jackson and a play book that fits to his strengths he will thrive.

And when you watch the tape he DOES NOT scramble to run. His eyes are always down feild and most of the time when its pass he passes. A lot of his big runs come from designed runs, he stayed true to the system set in place for him at Lousiville.
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i guess we just disagree then lol - i see very different things to you in my overall ideas about the individual prospects...
 
Draftwire did a 7 round mock. It had the Ravens going:
1: Guice, RB (passing on Moore, Vea, and McGlinchey)
2: Mark Andrews, TE (Passing on James Washington
3: Ragnow, G/C (passing on Pettis, Cain, and Thomas)
4: Jeff Holland, Edge (passing on Auden Tate, and DeaSean Hamilton)
5: Korey Robertson WR
6: Kurt Benkert, QB
6: Christain Campbell, CB
7: Brent Toth, OT

Would not be particularly happy with this draft.
 
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