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Offensive Coordinator Thread

Lost_In_Translation said:
While Flacco's regression is certainly a massive factor in why the offense is a clusterfuck, that's not the best justification to let Marty off the hook. I'm a believer that he's getting blamed too much but there are some clear problems with this comparison.

I don't believe that bringing up Marty's past successes absolves him from any blame at all... Which, he deserves some. Todd Haley would not have this group, as untalented/depleted as it as, be playing like dogshit.

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The Steelers offense didn't become great under Todd Haley right away though. There was definitely some growing pains and correct me if I'm wrong but I think the steelers offense was ranked 21st overall in their first year under Todd Haley.
 
Sandtown said:
The Steelers offense didn't become great under Todd Haley right away though. There was definitely some growing pains and correct me if I'm wrong but I think the steelers offense was ranked 21st overall in their first year under Todd Haley.
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Apparently he and Ben REALLY butted heads at first. It was a struggle to get Ben to buy in.

But Ben has had his best years under Haley.
 
NYSE5 said:
Agree completely, the argument that Marty is incompetent is ridiculous because he has had success elsewhere. Biscotti doesn't like change but the "stand pat" philosophy must change. There are cracks appearing in the organization that should be addressed ASAP
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29BmoreBird22 said:
The claim of Marty's past success was more that he was clearly designing explosive offenses that were targeting the deep parts of the field and were aimed at gaining chunk yardage. The fact that it has gone in a total reverse in execution here is suspicious, to say the least. You don't have the most explosive offenses in the NFL to the worst offense in the NFL by chance. Realistically, I would buy this argument and any argument about the supporting cast if Flacco didn't create so many problems for himself with poor mechanics are horrendous accuracy. Fact of the matter is the Ravens supporting cast favors a deep passing attack by a mile (Watson, Wallace, Maclin, Moore, Perriman) and Joe ranks 2nd to last in deep ball attempts.
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so i kind of agree - marty's successful explosive offences came in a different era of offence and defence the nfl has changed and the nfl is very much a what have you done for me lately kind of league - he may not have great players to work with here but to absolve marty of blame for a putrid offence is a bit naive if you ask me - there are serious things wrong with this offence that go beyond just joe flacco - the scheme and playcalling is predictable, the designs rarely scheme anyone wide open, there are key players missing and key positions that have never been adequately filled - all of those different reasons are to blame but while a lot of it should fall on flacco's shoulders im not sure that marty isnt equally as important in the offensive regression since 2014
 
rossihunter2 said:
so i kind of agree - marty's successful explosive offences came in a different era of offence and defence the nfl has changed and the nfl is very much a what have you done for me lately kind of league - he may not have great players to work with here but to absolve marty of blame for a putrid offence is a bit naive if you ask me - there are serious things wrong with this offence that go beyond just joe flacco - the scheme and playcalling is predictable, the designs rarely scheme anyone wide open, there are key players missing and key positions that have never been adequately filled - all of those different reasons are to blame but while a lot of it should fall on flacco's shoulders im not sure that marty isnt equally as important in the offensive regression since 2014
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I think if the Ravens had a quarterback playing even remotely at an average level, we'd see better stats from the receivers. As I keep saying, Wallace was a 1,000 yard receiver last year, Maclin was one two years ago and very well could have been without the injuries.

We say that the scheme isn't helping anyone get open, but every single week we see several screen shots from the All-22 showing wide open receivers that Joe just flat out misses.

No, I don't think Marty is perfect nor do I think the Ravens receivers are amazing, but to believe that these players and coaches who have been 1,000 yard receivers or coached top 5 offenses frequently all of a sudden forgot how to play is a bit myopic to me.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
I think if the Ravens had a quarterback playing even remotely at an average level, we'd see better stats from the receivers. As I keep saying, Wallace was a 1,000 yard receiver last year, Maclin was one two years ago and very well could have been without the injuries.

We say that the scheme isn't helping anyone get open, but every single week we see several screen shots from the All-22 showing wide open receivers that Joe just flat out misses.

No, I don't think Marty is perfect nor do I think the Ravens receivers are amazing, but to believe that these players and coaches who have been 1,000 yard receivers or coached top 5 offenses frequently all of a sudden forgot how to play is a bit myopic to me.
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this is all true of course but all i was saying is that there's culpability on marty's side just as well as joe
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
Apparently he and Ben REALLY butted heads at first. It was a struggle to get Ben to buy in.

But Ben has had his best years under Haley.
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True. I think Joe Flacco needs to buy into Marty Morhinweg offense and for them both to be on the same page. I honestly think Flacco is too impatient at times and of course his throwing mechanics needs work but I think if he was more patient then the offense would be more efficient.
 
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29BmoreBird22 said:
Here's the issue that I have with your assessment.
1. Maclin and Wallace were having a great deal of success a year to two years ago, tops. Wallace was a 1,000 yard receiver a year ago and Maclin damn well would have been if he were healthy. And Watson was a massively explosive tight end with the Saints. I'm willing to agree that the Achilles probably sapped him of some of that. But to sit here and mention Jason Avant as a supporting argument is really weak. Dude was not that good and was nothing more than a possession receiver. He wasn't a great talent by any stretch and Flacco has definitely had better to work with in his career.
2. Sean McVay was not the play caller in Washington. It was Gruden. But there he is in LA doing one of the best jobs in the entire NFL. The fact that he worked under an offensive genius is a bigger indictment on this offense than anything because that means Marty learned under Reid and learned how to design offenses with Reid.
3. Except, what coordinators really just flame out in a year because they turned 55. Like, BB is over 70 and doing fine. Same for Pete Carroll. This isn't a position that requires peak physical shape and Marty was doing very well very recently for the Eagles, so that should tell you something.
4. Do you watch the All-22? Like, I understand people want to make this claim that the play calling is bad, but never actually watch the All-22 to confirm the play calling is bad.

The claim of Marty's past success was more that he was clearly designing explosive offenses that were targeting the deep parts of the field and were aimed at gaining chunk yardage. The fact that it has gone in a total reverse in execution here is suspicious, to say the least. You don't have the most explosive offenses in the NFL to the worst offense in the NFL by chance. Realistically, I would buy this argument and any argument about the supporting cast if Flacco didn't create so many problems for himself with poor mechanics are horrendous accuracy. Fact of the matter is the Ravens supporting cast favors a deep passing attack by a mile (Watson, Wallace, Maclin, Moore, Perriman) and Joe ranks 2nd to last in deep ball attempts.

Oh, and bringing up Pitta is REALLY weak. Like, I'm not sure what you thought you'd gain from it. Pitta was in TC for like three days. He got nothing from the new offense or what was expected to happen, especially considering that Joe wasn't even in TC. Yeah, I'm sure Pitta really knew how the offense was going to look come September when he was in TC for a few days and never once with Joe. Makes sense.

Both Harbaugh and Joe himself have already debunked the PItta comments as untrue and an attempt to stand up for Flacco (Flacco's words, not mine), so I'm not sure why anyone brings it up.

And to answer your question about the Saints and Chiefs, Pete Carmichael since he won the Super Bowl with them and has been in NO for quite a while and Matt Nagy because he was the quarterbacks coach and actually played at University of Deleware.
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Bird, McVay was the playcaller in Washington in 2015 and 16. In 2014 Gruden was hired ams called plays but had too much on the plate and made McVay the OC and not just in title. Gruden has said it himself in the past. He was the one calling the plays and even back in 2014 he had major input in designing the offense from week to week.
 
RavensMania said:
Bird, McVay was the playcaller in Washington in 2015 and 16. In 2014 Gruden was hired ams called plays but had too much on the plate and made McVay the OC and not just in title. Gruden has said it himself in the past. He was the one calling the plays and even back in 2014 he had major input in designing the offense from week to week.
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You are correct. I was wrong there.

Still, point still stands that Gruden probably had some input you'd imagine.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
You are correct. I was wrong there.

Still, point still stands that Gruden probably had some input you'd imagine.
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In putting together the game plan I’m sure he did, but this doesn’t take anything away from McVay who has been a terrific coach well before Gruden was head coach. He’s a genius. He was a TE coach early on when Reed was a rookie
 
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RavensMania said:
In putting together the game plan I’m sure he did, but this doesn’t take anything away from McVay who has been a terrific coach well before Gruden was head coach. He’s a genius. He was a TE coach early on when Reed was a rookie
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Oh, without a doubt McVay is a genius. I was just more saying that there isn't any shame if Marty got help from Reid. The best get it.

On the topic of McVay, I said it back on the boards and still believe it- I would have fired Harbaugh for McVay and not thought twice about it.
 
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The way we are going it’s very possible that Morningweg will be the OC next year. I actually credit Greg Roman more than Weg. I certainly hope don’t lose Roman to another team looking for an OC AND have the wherewithal to fire Weg if another team is interested in Roman.
 
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