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2022 General Draft Thoughts

JoeyFlex5 said:
My favorite asset of paschal is the way he can explode laterally. He’s got real DT power and leg drive but he has ABSURD ability to get around an interior offensive lineman with lateral explosiveness
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dude can legit bend as well - just didnt get many opportunities to prove it because he spent so much time inside
he's a freak who's a stout run defender and has a dominant pass rush move (albeit only 1 right now lol) and has inside-outside flexibility as a rusher

just screams raven to me - fits just about everything you might want from a prospect profile - and marries together the old school EDGE profile (with the production and the frame and the weight) with the new school EDGE profile (elite athletic traits and untapped potential because of usage in college)

so far ive got 2 guys ive given ravens red star type highlights to on my board where they just seem like perfect scheme and culture fits: derek stingley and josh paschal
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
He’s a big projection. There’s a lot to like and a lot to dislike, and if his style isn’t your cup of tea then He’s easy to hate. I’ll try my best to be objective here…

Upside:
-Built incredibly well, long, dense, muscular, prototype OT build
-feet are surprisingly quick
-looks like he can drop to nfl rusher depth
-extremely powerful, generates an insane amount of just raw “fuck out my face” type power with seemingly no effort at times
-one false move and he will pancake your asshole to smithereens, in pass protection as well, guys that don’t time their bend/counter attempt often end up getting their shit rocked into the dirt.
-fairly natural athlete and has the

Downside
-he moves fairly well but really lumbers and needs big time agility and flexibility training, think Ben Cleveland at OT. He might not be an nfl caliber OT if he doesn’t improve those things and that’s not easy
-poor anchor against a good speed to power rush, he frequently fails to absorb the blow because he just can’t get low enough and he gets driven back surprisingly often
-upright player in general unless he’s leaning forward on a DT
-plays with wide hands
-often prioritizes “being a badass” over making the best play for the team, he’ll miss a combo block or a blitz pickup to drive someone to the ground if he has the chance and does this shit an alarming amount, often after the whistle on irrelevant defenders. Guarantee he’s getting raked on the gameday threads for it when he’s inevitably here
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i think maybe you've been a little harsh on him athletically lol - think a lot of his range issues are related to technique and pad level

obviously the potential penalty issues are a question but i think you'd prefer to try and reign in someone's aggression vs trying to actually get guys to actively finish or find some nasty (like ben cleveland... who for all his big country toughness isnt actually that nasty of a player lol) - and i do get the sense that penning's not an actual head-case so i do think he'll be able to control that instinct

but as you say there's just a lot of stuff that either needs honing or straight up fixing - and it's not that he cant fix those things, it's that we dont know if he will and it feels like not the kind of prospect you take with a top 15 pick
 
SepticeyePoe said:
Are there any combinations of later picks where you guys would be ok taking Penning at 14?
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i mean he's not gonna be in my top 14 players - likely wont even be in my top 19 either

so there's no point where id be happy with him at 14

but id be ok with it ultimately regardless of who we hit later - this isnt the raiders taking clelin farrell or anything like that or the raiders taking alex leatherwood or the raiders taking damon arnette or the raiders taking kolton miller...
 
rossihunter2 said:
i think maybe you've been a little harsh on him athletically lol - think a lot of his range issues are related to technique and pad level

obviously the potential penalty issues are a question but i think you'd prefer to try and reign in someone's aggression vs trying to actually get guys to actively finish or find some nasty (like ben cleveland... who for all his big country toughness isnt actually that nasty of a player lol) - and i do get the sense that penning's not an actual head-case so i do think he'll be able to control that instinct

but as you say there's just a lot of stuff that either needs honing or straight up fixing - and it's not that he cant fix those things, it's that we dont know if he will and it feels like not the kind of prospect you take with a top 15 pick
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Athletically I did come off harsh lol, he is very stiff though
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Athletically I did come off harsh lol, he is very stiff though
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yeah i mean i dont think he's super flexible at the position - which is why ive seen some suggest he's a projection to guard or specifically to RT (again another reason why i dont think a penning pick would be a "oh no ronnie's done" type of pick)

i also love the work he's been putting in with duke manyweather - who notably was the guy who helped a bunch of the rookies who started in year 1 last year to be starters and also helped mekhi becton for his superb year 1 too
 
rossihunter2 said:
i mean he's not gonna be in my top 14 players - likely wont even be in my top 19 either

so there's no point where id be happy with him at 14

but id be ok with it ultimately regardless of who we hit later - this isnt the raiders taking clelin farrell or anything like that or the raiders taking alex leatherwood or the raiders taking damon arnette or the raiders taking kolton miller...
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That makes me feel a little better I guess. I'm starting to get that vibe that we take Penning though.
 
Vegas released new odds for who may be the first overall selection. Odds below, so it seems Baalke will get his man in Walker instead of going with Hutchinson. I've switched my selection over to Travon to the Jags as soon as I heard the rumors of him being the type of player Baalke looks for. This draft really is so uncertain this year, normally we can peg players to teams even without rumors but this year any player seems to be in play for every first round selection.

 
SepticeyePoe said:
That makes me feel a little better I guess. I'm starting to get that vibe that we take Penning though.
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I’ve been a well known anti penning guy lol but if we do take him there’s plenty of upside to be excited about. If he pans out to his best he’s an absolute game changer at the most important spot on the OL and dramatically expands your playbook, run game, and pass game as well as being a tone setter identity kinda player, at worst, he’s probably a middling LG who we let walk after 5 years
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I’ve been a well known anti penning guy lol but if we do take him there’s plenty of upside to be excited about. If he pans out to his best he’s an absolute game changer at the most important spot on the OL and dramatically expands your playbook, run game, and pass game as well as being a tone setter identity kinda player, at worst, he’s probably a middling LG who we let walk after 5 years
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this is exactly it
it's uninspiring, and id prefer a bunch of guys ahead of him, but it's not the end of the world
 
rossihunter2 said:


interesting about mcduffie and booth
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Understandable but that guy shouldnt be relying on pff snap count.. without even knowing that you can see that mcduffie does in fact look more like a zone cb when you watch him.. not to mention mcduffie is thought of as a 1st rmder and i dnt believe booth is, so ofcourse one is gonna question his ability more
 
Deebo813 said:
Understandable but that guy shouldnt be relying on pff snap count.. without even knowing that you can see that mcduffie does in fact look more like a zone cb when you watch him.. not to mention mcduffie is thought of as a 1st rmder and i dnt believe booth is, so ofcourse one is gonna question his ability more
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eh?
pff charting is really dependable - pff grading sucks but their charting is pretty great

and booth is 100% a R1 prospect and has been thought of that way for most of the process

mcduffie plays a lot of zone but idk why that makes him look like a zone corner... i mean he is very good in zone but he's very good in man too just played fewer snaps in man than zone because of the scheme
 
"Steelers Colbert on Monday expressed a willingness to move up and down the draft board, indicating that his team would calculate the value of every spot in the draft. But he also mentioned two specific spots: "We'll guesstimate what it'll cost to move from 20 to 7 and from 20 back down to 32," Colbert said."
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lol estimate the cost to 7? Your entire draft
 
I tell you... if we were picking in the 20s, I'd be banging the table for Zion Johnson with the idea of moving him to C. Came across a cut up on Twitter again today and good lord that guy feels as safe as it gets.
 
Simba said:
I tell you... if we were picking in the 20s, I'd be banging the table for Zion Johnson with the idea of moving him to C. Came across a cut up on Twitter again today and good lord that guy feels as safe as it gets.
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idk that i buy him as instant coffee at C
but at G, yeah, he's about as safe as it gets

the guy im really interested in at C right now is Nick Ford, Utah - hardly seen his name mentioned anywhere, came across him almost by accident looking through my list and saw his size profile and not horrible RAS and thought id give him a look to see if i could find a 10th C prospect to watch...

and i really really like him lol - powerful, has some length, great anchor, flashes of decent feet and surprising short-area agility, good processor, nasty finisher - like he's not perfect at all and has some inconsistencies with his hand usage and in pass pro his feet and his hands can be not working in tandem together

but he's a great fit in a power scheme, has the power to be able to displace nose tackles, plays with good leverage and torque, has violent hands and punch and length as well as some recovery ability in pass pro, nasty and has surprising success working up to L2...

i literally have no idea why this dude wasnt invited to the combine and why no one on draft twitter seems to have ever even mentioned him - i even googled his name with lots of different legal issues to see if there was anything in his background and all i found, lol, was him being a conference leader in the pandemic lobbying players to get better protections from the conference lol

maybe im missing something and overhyping him but i would 100% spend a 4th round pick on this dude and give him to Joe D and see what he can do with him - at worst he's a 3 position backup
 
rossihunter2 said:
idk that i buy him as instant coffee at C
but at G, yeah, he's about as safe as it gets

the guy im really interested in at C right now is Nick Ford, Utah - hardly seen his name mentioned anywhere, came across him almost by accident looking through my list and saw his size profile and not horrible RAS and thought id give him a look to see if i could find a 10th C prospect to watch...

and i really really like him lol - powerful, has some length, great anchor, flashes of decent feet and surprising short-area agility, good processor, nasty finisher - like he's not perfect at all and has some inconsistencies with his hand usage and in pass pro his feet and his hands can be not working in tandem together

but he's a great fit in a power scheme, has the power to be able to displace nose tackles, plays with good leverage and torque, has violent hands and punch and length as well as some recovery ability in pass pro, nasty and has surprising success working up to L2...

i literally have no idea why this dude wasnt invited to the combine and why no one on draft twitter seems to have ever even mentioned him - i even googled his name with lots of different legal issues to see if there was anything in his background and all i found, lol, was him being a conference leader in the pandemic lobbying players to get better protections from the conference lol

maybe im missing something and overhyping him but i would 100% spend a 4th round pick on this dude and give him to Joe D and see what he can do with him - at worst he's a 3 position backup
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Yeah I should have clarified there. Safe as it comes at G but would try him at C with the idea that I know I have a good G at a minimum.

Have watched none of Ford and probably won't get to him but obviously trusting your judgment lol
 
BoredMarine13 said:
lol estimate the cost to 7? Your entire draft
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not sure their entire draft would do it tbh - probably have to give up a future 1st rounder + some other picks to get up that high

you know colbert is desperate to go out like ozzie did and leave the franchise in good health with a QB - but 7 is a very specific number lol and this would be quite the way to steal future capital just to go and get any QB just to get one...

but it's possible that in their heads its malik willis or bust at QB - i dont really get the impression that they like pickett or any of the others
so if they know it's willis then maybe they have to just go up and get him
 
Simba said:
Yeah I should have clarified there. Safe as it comes at G but would try him at C with the idea that I know I have a good G at a minimum.

Have watched none of Ford and probably won't get to him but obviously trusting your judgment lol
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very trusting of you lol
i feel honoured

but if anyone here can give him a look id love a 2nd opinion just to see if im going crazy or not
 
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