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The Last Jedi. NO SPOILERS HIDDEN

Dom McRaven

Hall of Famer
I definitely liked this movie more than TFA. Now I really don't know where to begin with so I apologize in advance if I'm all over the place.

Now at the very end where they showed the kid looking up into the sky, did he use the force to grab the broom or were my eyes just deceiving me? If he did like I thought he did, I wonder if he'll be an important character going forward.

Snoke is a joke (LOL that rhymed). So you mean to tell me that you're a "supreme leader" (I thought he was a general) and you're able to read Kylo Ren's mind/thoughts/emotions/intentions/etc, but you couldn't see him using the lightsaber to cut your arrogant ass in half? But that fight scene between the guards and Rey and Kylo was dope.

Speaking of Kylo, I was in tears laughing my ass off when he ordered all of those walkers to aim and fire at Luke. Like damn dude, this supposed to the second coming of Vader?

Speaking of people who laughed, the master codebreaker or whoever he is was pretty funny with his constant stuttering. Well done, sir.

I understood the Resistance took some losses when they destroyed the juggernaut, but what if Poe obeyed Leia's orders and retreated? The Resistance would've taken even more Ls. Speaking of the Resistance's command, when Holdo took over for Leia, for a while I thought to myself, "This woman is incompetent AF." Tbh, I thought she was a First Order spy who infiltrated the ranks of the Resistance. But that scene where she rammed the ship into the First Order's ship (forgive me people, I'm not a die-hard Star Wars fan so I don't know the exact names of those ships) and it had a 10 second scene of silence, I thought that was a really cool effect.

Perhaps I wasn't thinking about this when I was watching the film, but a lot of people think that this film was catered for SJWs/had SJW written all over it/etc. Does anyone agree with this? I can't agree nor disagree because I really wasn't thinking about it at the time.

On a slightly off-topic, I see that Daisy Ridley is an Arsenal supporter. She chose the wrong red team to support lol.
 

SepticeyePoe

Hall of Famer
Now at the very end where they showed the kid looking up into the sky, did he use the force to grab the broom or were my eyes just deceiving me? If he did like I thought he did, I wonder if he'll be an important character going forward.
I thought so too! I wasn't sure if my eyes were tricked or not, so that'll be something to look for when I see it again.
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
I definitely liked this movie more than TFA. Now I really don't know where to begin with so I apologize in advance if I'm all over the place.

Now at the very end where they showed the kid looking up into the sky, did he use the force to grab the broom or were my eyes just deceiving me? If he did like I thought he did, I wonder if he'll be an important character going forward.

Snoke is a joke (LOL that rhymed). So you mean to tell me that you're a "supreme leader" (I thought he was a general) and you're able to read Kylo Ren's mind/thoughts/emotions/intentions/etc, but you couldn't see him using the lightsaber to cut your arrogant ass in half? But that fight scene between the guards and Rey and Kylo was dope.

Speaking of Kylo, I was in tears laughing my ass off when he ordered all of those walkers to aim and fire at Luke. Like damn dude, this supposed to the second coming of Vader?

Speaking of people who laughed, the master codebreaker or whoever he is was pretty funny with his constant stuttering. Well done, sir.

I understood the Resistance took some losses when they destroyed the juggernaut, but what if Poe obeyed Leia's orders and retreated? The Resistance would've taken even more Ls. Speaking of the Resistance's command, when Holdo took over for Leia, for a while I thought to myself, "This woman is incompetent AF." Tbh, I thought she was a First Order spy who infiltrated the ranks of the Resistance. But that scene where she rammed the ship into the First Order's ship (forgive me people, I'm not a die-hard Star Wars fan so I don't know the exact names of those ships) and it had a 10 second scene of silence, I thought that was a really cool effect.

Perhaps I wasn't thinking about this when I was watching the film, but a lot of people think that this film was catered for SJWs/had SJW written all over it/etc. Does anyone agree with this? I can't agree nor disagree because I really wasn't thinking about it at the time.

On a slightly off-topic, I see that Daisy Ridley is an Arsenal supporter. She chose the wrong red team to support lol.

my response is quite long so i put a quick summary at the bottom if you cba to read the whole thing

i have some thoughts about these things you've put out there and ill number mine just so its easier to organise (for me - not knocking your thoughts because i appreciated reading them lol)

1) yep the broom kid did use the force - and i do think he'll play a small part moving forwards (maybe if they skip forwards a few years rey might be training up new jedi - who knows lol) but even if the kid doesnt play a role moving forwards i think the ending was more symbolic of the overall theme of the film i.e. that ability and potential and inspiration are not just for those with the bloodlines/heritage - but either way im not sure the kid himself will be an important character in the next episode but what he represents i think is important moving forwards thematically

2) i liked the snoke thing - that entire scene was so cool haha - we got to see how powerful he was and how nonchalantly he treated both of them but we also got to see kylo's craftiness with the way he manipulated snoke in that scene to not notice his true intentions - if you watch how he moves the lightsaber and his timing it appears that he's using snoke's power and overconfidence to his own advantage (which just reminded me of the emperor in return of the jedi telling luke how 'your overconfidence is your weakness' lol) - on that note this film is chock full of really cool details if you go back and watch/ watch it when it comes out on dvd like how he turns the lightsabre next to snoke as he turns his own and in the later scene with luke how they give you clues (which most people didnt notice at the time) that luke's not really there in that confrontation - but i agree with you entirely about that fight sequence - the choreography is unbelievable

3) i dont think kylo is supposed to be another vader - that's his goal and it always eats away at him but its part of the intrigue of his character that he's chasing something which he'll never achieve and yet he's so emotionally complex and conflicted - it's a nice departure from the one-note villains of previous star wars movies and it manifests itself in how he gets so tied up by his own hatred and anger e.g. all the guns firing at luke and all the fighters going after the millennium falcon

4) i actually didnt like the codebreaker - i found the stutter quite annoying tbh it felt like a bit of a lazy character trait and reminded me of him in the marvel movies - that whole plotline with the casino felt like the weakest part of the movie to me but then again that's just an opinion lol and you're entitled to yours - i just felt like that whole sequence felt a little bit like harry potter

5) i really liked poe's character ark in the last jedi - because ultimately disobeying leia at the beginning and destroying the dreadnought made the resistance plight worse because the first order followed them with more ships including an even bigger one for which they suddenly had no means of destroying them - and what i liked was that poe was wrong... he was wrong at the beginning (but forgivably so because he did destroy the ship) but he was also wrong to send finn and rose away to the casino planet because that led to even more losses by the resistance because his plan ultimately provided the first order with the information about the resistance plan to escape to crait - without poe's stupid mutiny and planning with finn and rose the resistance would have been able to hide on the salt planet and avoided that almost catastrophic battle at the end - and in terms of holdo she only seemed incompetent because we saw her from poe's point of view - she had no reason to tell him the plan because he was a hothead who had already proven that he had made bad decisions before and with a plan like hers secrecy was probably important - i liked that poe was wrong and it ultimately forced holdo to be heroic to save them all (again) and THAT moment was unbelievable - i've seen it twice and even the 2nd time when i knew it was coming i still gasped in the cinema

6) the SJW thing is the internet being stupid and casually misogynistic i think and it really annoys me that of all the criticisms that people levied at this film (and the force awakens) that this is one that wont go away - the claims ive seen (and please let me know if you've seen any others) but that: -women are being forced into lead roles for no reason just to push an "agenda" - rose tico is just a token asian female because they wanted to be "diverse" - im assuming the reason people cared so much is that there were "too many women in leadership roles" or something idk... did i miss any others that you know of?

my response to that whole thing is that it's a whole lot of nothing - the idea that women are being "forced" into a movie when they still comprise less than half the cast is stupid - there are still more male leads in this film than female leads, all except 3 of the leads are white and the only one who might be seen as forced in is rose tico yet the only reason she's described as forced in is because of the poor execution of the plotline she's in - her character isnt defined by being non-white nor is her race ever remarked upon so i dont know why anyone would have a problem with her (from a sjw angle - its still fair to criticise her character and its arc and plotline but not the idea that its an sjw agenda) - im guessing the other elements of SJW writing claims is about Rey but im not sure i know what it is - and with regards to women in leadership i dont get the complaints - i can kind of see that poe was made to look like he was "mansplaining" a bit but i think that was an entirely natural and organic extension of his flyboy hotheadedness and not necessarily a gender-specific piece of writing

to me the claims that the film caters to SJWs i think is a reaction by a portion of the internet to seeing a more diverse cast than they are used to in hollywood blockbusters but i dont see how the diversity really makes the film better/worse or caters to tokenism either - they cast the best people in the roles they had and their race was mostly unimportant

anyway i digress a little - i dont see any SJW pandering although i can absolutely see that some people might balk at some of the more liberal ideas in the film but i think that star wars has always been kind of socialist (which is why i find it surprising how it was so successful in the US initially given its vietnam-inspired origins) - the rebels are a literal transposing of the viet cong lol...

sorry that was so long

TL;DR

yes the kid used the force
i loved the snoke scene and didnt have a problem with how he was beaten
i love kylo and his relationship dynamic with rey
i didnt really like the codebreaker or the casino plotline
i enjoyed the subplot with poe and holdo and THAT moment of silence was incredible (i gasped both times ive seen the film in cinemas)
the pandering to SJWs claims are ridiculous and seem misguidedly based in misogyny to me (the cast is still more than half male and all except 3 of the leads are white) - the film is absolutely left-wing/liberal but it doesnt pander to SJWs (but star wars has roots in socialism with the rebels being a version of the viet kong - which i always find ironic given the fear of communism in the USA throughout the cold war - and also because Reagan called the STI program Star Wars despite him being so conservative)
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
i've just seen an article pop up on my twitter and i hadnt considered this before but luke skywalker's character is a wonderful depiction of severe depression in real terms - he's chained himself to a monument to his own failures and is wallowing in self-hatred that it has constructed a new facade that looks completely different and is impenetrable to the people outside of him - i think it's what subconsciously made me love the yoda scene because its a fairly realistic (as realistic as a green muppet space wizard can be) portrait of one way to create change in someone who is depressive/suffering anxiety - he gives luke a support kick in the ass and literally burns down the monument of failure that luke had constructed forcing him to confront the idea that his self-hatred has helped to stop him from doing the things that he wanted to do

and i think its a realistic idea to begin with - it jives well with the idea that he couldnt handle all the expectations and sudden changes in his life depicted in the original trilogy (learning he has a magical force, that his father is a face of oppression, that his personal conflict literally changes the political climate of a galaxy, that he's expected to be a paragon of heroism as a "jedi master", then he sets up a school and a moment of weakness pulls both him and his nephew down and leads to the destruction of many young students who's wellbeing he was responsible for and inadvertently aided an oppressive force to tear down the galaxy and kill multiple planets' worth of people) - all of this makes luke's heroism at the end even more heroic and virtuous to me because it wasnt just physically/spiritually a cosmic feat of strength it was also a moment fraught with emotional/mental obstacles that are incredibly relatable - he's all the more heroic because of his own failure

i hadnt thought of this before but the article has struck a chord with me and i like this as a reading of luke's character and its arc in the film
 

K-Dog

MVP
Now at the very end where they showed the kid looking up into the sky, did he use the force to grab the broom or were my eyes just deceiving me? If he did like I thought he did, I wonder if he'll be an important character going forward.

Additionally they played Lukes theme. Yeah, that five second clip is the groundwork for the next three to six episodes.

Snoke is a joke (LOL that rhymed). So you mean to tell me that you're a "supreme leader" (I thought he was a general) and you're able to read Kylo Ren's mind/thoughts/emotions/intentions/etc, but you couldn't see him using the lightsaber to cut your arrogant ass in half?

Yeah I thought that was strange too.

" Tbh, I thought she was a First Order spy who infiltrated the ranks of the Resistance. But that scene where she rammed the ship into the First Order's ship (forgive me people, I'm not a die-hard Star Wars fan so I don't know the exact names of those ships) and it had a 10 second scene of silence, I thought that was a really cool effect.

Me too. I thought for sure she was a spy of some sort or a trader ( typo intentional O'sX )
The kamikaze scene was extremely well executed.

Perhaps I wasn't thinking about this when I was watching the film, but a lot of people think that this film was catered for SJWs/had SJW written all over it/etc. Does anyone agree with this? I can't agree nor disagree because I really wasn't thinking about it at the time.


I too hearsdsuch talk, even before I saw the movie, but nothing jumped out at me.
 

K-Dog

MVP
they are 'one with the force'


There is a brief scene in Revenge Of The Sith ( I believe ) where Obi Won and Qui-Jon were walking away from Anakin ( I think ) and Qui-Jon says " Have I taught you about _____ ? "
I think he was referring to just that. A Jedi ,,,,, disappearing in their physical bodies.

One other thing I thought was interesting from The Last Jedi when Rey and Kylo were having visions of each other it seems he could only see her physical body ( I will keep my middle school comments to myself ) but she could see him and his surroundings.
Very interesting.
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
There is a brief scene in Revenge Of The Sith ( I believe ) where Obi Won and Qui-Jon were walking away from Anakin ( I think ) and Qui-Jon says " Have I taught you about _____ ? "
I think he was referring to just that. A Jedi ,,,,, disappearing in their physical bodies.

One other thing I thought was interesting from The Last Jedi when Rey and Kylo were having visions of each other it seems he could only see her physical body ( I will keep my middle school comments to myself ) but she could see him and his surroundings.
Very interesting.

yeah qui-gon was referring to the knowledge of how to become one with the force when you die and be able to interact with the living via being a force ghost ala ben kenobi, yoda and anakin...

its not explicit but i read it as neither of them being able to see the surroundings of the other but they did physically manifest in each other's surroundings - it's why his hand was wet when they force skyped while it was raining on the island
 

SepticeyePoe

Hall of Famer
There is a brief scene in Revenge Of The Sith ( I believe ) where Obi Won and Qui-Jon were walking away from Anakin ( I think ) and Qui-Jon says " Have I taught you about _____ ? "
I think he was referring to just that. A Jedi ,,,,, disappearing in their physical bodies.

One other thing I thought was interesting from The Last Jedi when Rey and Kylo were having visions of each other it seems he could only see her physical body ( I will keep my middle school comments to myself ) but she could see him and his surroundings.
Very interesting.
Obi-Wan and Yoda? At the end?
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
Additionally they played Lukes theme. Yeah, that five second clip is the groundwork for the next three to six episodes.

i know it often corresponds to luke but it was originally obiwan's theme and then more generally became the force theme - i think the last jedi has the largest use of that theme that i can remember offhandedly about the films - it certainly makes sense given how much this film teases out about the way the force works etc.

im not sure im certain that kid will be as important as that yet - he'll appear again maybe but im not sure whether it will be in episode 9 or whether he might inspire the trilogy of films (separate from the saga) that rian johnson has been given stewardship over
 

K-Dog

MVP
yeah qui-gon was referring to the knowledge of how to become one with the force when you die and be able to interact with the living via being a force ghost ala ben kenobi, yoda and anakin...

its not explicit but i read it as neither of them being able to see the surroundings of the other but they did physically manifest in each other's surroundings - it's why his hand was wet when they force skyped while it was raining on the island
Yeah, you remember that scene.
 

K-Dog

MVP
its yoda in revenge of the sith talking to obi wan telling him how he has found a way to commune with qui gon through the force i think


Mmmmmmmmmm, yeah, that sounds right.

What the hell, Yoda, Qui-Jon, they are both green and have funny names....

;)
 

Dom McRaven

Hall of Famer
my response is quite long so i put a quick summary at the bottom if you cba to read the whole thing

i have some thoughts about these things you've put out there and ill number mine just so its easier to organise (for me - not knocking your thoughts because i appreciated reading them lol)

1) yep the broom kid did use the force - and i do think he'll play a small part moving forwards (maybe if they skip forwards a few years rey might be training up new jedi - who knows lol) but even if the kid doesnt play a role moving forwards i think the ending was more symbolic of the overall theme of the film i.e. that ability and potential and inspiration are not just for those with the bloodlines/heritage - but either way im not sure the kid himself will be an important character in the next episode but what he represents i think is important moving forwards thematically

2) i liked the snoke thing - that entire scene was so cool haha - we got to see how powerful he was and how nonchalantly he treated both of them but we also got to see kylo's craftiness with the way he manipulated snoke in that scene to not notice his true intentions - if you watch how he moves the lightsaber and his timing it appears that he's using snoke's power and overconfidence to his own advantage (which just reminded me of the emperor in return of the jedi telling luke how 'your overconfidence is your weakness' lol) - on that note this film is chock full of really cool details if you go back and watch/ watch it when it comes out on dvd like how he turns the lightsabre next to snoke as he turns his own and in the later scene with luke how they give you clues (which most people didnt notice at the time) that luke's not really there in that confrontation - but i agree with you entirely about that fight sequence - the choreography is unbelievable

3) i dont think kylo is supposed to be another vader - that's his goal and it always eats away at him but its part of the intrigue of his character that he's chasing something which he'll never achieve and yet he's so emotionally complex and conflicted - it's a nice departure from the one-note villains of previous star wars movies and it manifests itself in how he gets so tied up by his own hatred and anger e.g. all the guns firing at luke and all the fighters going after the millennium falcon

4) i actually didnt like the codebreaker - i found the stutter quite annoying tbh it felt like a bit of a lazy character trait and reminded me of him in the marvel movies - that whole plotline with the casino felt like the weakest part of the movie to me but then again that's just an opinion lol and you're entitled to yours - i just felt like that whole sequence felt a little bit like harry potter

5) i really liked poe's character ark in the last jedi - because ultimately disobeying leia at the beginning and destroying the dreadnought made the resistance plight worse because the first order followed them with more ships including an even bigger one for which they suddenly had no means of destroying them - and what i liked was that poe was wrong... he was wrong at the beginning (but forgivably so because he did destroy the ship) but he was also wrong to send finn and rose away to the casino planet because that led to even more losses by the resistance because his plan ultimately provided the first order with the information about the resistance plan to escape to crait - without poe's stupid mutiny and planning with finn and rose the resistance would have been able to hide on the salt planet and avoided that almost catastrophic battle at the end - and in terms of holdo she only seemed incompetent because we saw her from poe's point of view - she had no reason to tell him the plan because he was a hothead who had already proven that he had made bad decisions before and with a plan like hers secrecy was probably important - i liked that poe was wrong and it ultimately forced holdo to be heroic to save them all (again) and THAT moment was unbelievable - i've seen it twice and even the 2nd time when i knew it was coming i still gasped in the cinema

6) the SJW thing is the internet being stupid and casually misogynistic i think and it really annoys me that of all the criticisms that people levied at this film (and the force awakens) that this is one that wont go away - the claims ive seen (and please let me know if you've seen any others) but that: -women are being forced into lead roles for no reason just to push an "agenda" - rose tico is just a token asian female because they wanted to be "diverse" - im assuming the reason people cared so much is that there were "too many women in leadership roles" or something idk... did i miss any others that you know of?

my response to that whole thing is that it's a whole lot of nothing - the idea that women are being "forced" into a movie when they still comprise less than half the cast is stupid - there are still more male leads in this film than female leads, all except 3 of the leads are white and the only one who might be seen as forced in is rose tico yet the only reason she's described as forced in is because of the poor execution of the plotline she's in - her character isnt defined by being non-white nor is her race ever remarked upon so i dont know why anyone would have a problem with her (from a sjw angle - its still fair to criticise her character and its arc and plotline but not the idea that its an sjw agenda) - im guessing the other elements of SJW writing claims is about Rey but im not sure i know what it is - and with regards to women in leadership i dont get the complaints - i can kind of see that poe was made to look like he was "mansplaining" a bit but i think that was an entirely natural and organic extension of his flyboy hotheadedness and not necessarily a gender-specific piece of writing

to me the claims that the film caters to SJWs i think is a reaction by a portion of the internet to seeing a more diverse cast than they are used to in hollywood blockbusters but i dont see how the diversity really makes the film better/worse or caters to tokenism either - they cast the best people in the roles they had and their race was mostly unimportant

anyway i digress a little - i dont see any SJW pandering although i can absolutely see that some people might balk at some of the more liberal ideas in the film but i think that star wars has always been kind of socialist (which is why i find it surprising how it was so successful in the US initially given its vietnam-inspired origins) - the rebels are a literal transposing of the viet cong lol...

sorry that was so long

TL;DR

yes the kid used the force
i loved the snoke scene and didnt have a problem with how he was beaten
i love kylo and his relationship dynamic with rey
i didnt really like the codebreaker or the casino plotline
i enjoyed the subplot with poe and holdo and THAT moment of silence was incredible (i gasped both times ive seen the film in cinemas)
the pandering to SJWs claims are ridiculous and seem misguidedly based in misogyny to me (the cast is still more than half male and all except 3 of the leads are white) - the film is absolutely left-wing/liberal but it doesnt pander to SJWs (but star wars has roots in socialism with the rebels being a version of the viet kong - which i always find ironic given the fear of communism in the USA throughout the cold war - and also because Reagan called the STI program Star Wars despite him being so conservative)
LOL no worries. I enjoyed reading it.

1. Okay so my eyes didn't deceive me lol. What's gonna be interesting if there're gonna be other kids/young adults who'll use the force. I mean, that scene with the kid was there for a reason.

2 and 3. Snoke's arrogance definitely got the best of him. For whatever reason, I get the feeling he'll come back lol. I have no idea or anything to justify this, but I just get that feeling that somehow someway, he'll return. I wonder if those guards were some special group of stormtroopers. This may sound weird, but they actually remind me of Grevious's magnaguards (great to use in the original BF2). As for Kylo, nothing beats how he froze that blaster shot in mid-air in TFA. That was awesome. Unlike Snoke, I really liked Kylo's mask....makes his character more menacing IMO. I'm impressed with Adam Driver's acting.

4. I hear ya about the codebreaker. I honestly could've done without the casino, but that part didn't bother me per se. Since I've never watched Harry Potter, I definitely won't get the comparison, but I'll take your word for it.

5. Your explanation makes sense. I do have a question: what do you think would've happened if Poe followed through Leia's orders and retreated? That's something I really wonder about. As for Holdo's last stand, job well done. That was just............amazing.

6. You nailed it. The only other one I saw was mainly when TFA first came out: "why are there so many British actors?" At the end of the day, if said actor/actress fits the role, then by all means. Besides the Resistance, like the Rebels, had many different kinds of species. So why should we care about the races or genders? My only issue with Rose is when she crashed her plane to save Finn. So she had just enough energy to go on a little dialogue and kiss Finn before passing out? And why would Finn let her kiss him after being mad at her? Lol...I just didn't get that part, but whatever.
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
1. Okay so my eyes didn't deceive me lol. What's gonna be interesting if there're gonna be other kids/young adults who'll use the force. I mean, that scene with the kid was there for a reason.

I think he’s indicative of the fact that Rey probably restarts the Jedi by training other force users - but that scene was also symbolic of the “spark” of the resistance

2 and 3. Snoke's arrogance definitely got the best of him. For whatever reason, I get the feeling he'll come back lol. I have no idea or anything to justify this, but I just get that feeling that somehow someway, he'll return. I wonder if those guards were some special group of stormtroopers. This may sound weird, but they actually remind me of Grevious's magnaguards (great to use in the original BF2). As for Kylo, nothing beats how he froze that blaster shot in mid-air in TFA. That was awesome. Unlike Snoke, I really liked Kylo's mask....makes his character more menacing IMO. I'm impressed with Adam Driver's acting.

i dont think snoke will come back because narratively i think its more interesting if kylo ren is running the first order (and he'll likely have an apprentice or something - and i have to think we'll finally meet the knights of ren - there's a lot of uncertainty around the future possibilities surrounding the events of that throne room scene but i think the most daring thing for the franchise to do is to stick to what happened as fact i.e. rey should be nobody and snoke should be dead - those guards are praetorian guards modelled after the roman guards but more importantly are similar to the ceremonial guards you see in scenes with emperor palpatine in return of the jedi in his throne room - (the difference is that these guys are functional... as we saw in that awesome fight scene) - i liked kylo's mask but i also like how not having the mask allows for a better performance (adam driver's ability to emote and also control the minute details of his face is incredible - that eye twitch thing he does is so skilful) - what's crazy to think is that there was not one lightsaber on lightsaber battle in the last jedi - i really really really cant wait for kylo and rey to have their 1v1 duel just with all the layers it will have emotionally as well

4. I hear ya about the codebreaker. I honestly could've done without the casino, but that part didn't bother me per se. Since I've never watched Harry Potter, I definitely won't get the comparison, but I'll take your word for it.

when i say harry potter i just mean a specific kind of tone and playfulness that's sort of connected to the star wars tone but a little more childish and slightly different - it doesnt help that john williams wrote a lot of the harry potter music too and rose's new theme sounds kind of similar lol - i didnt hate it but the fathiers (the horses) looked weird and the casino looked like something out of the hunger games - i kind of wish we'd got to see the actual casino bit a little more because we never get to spend time with the "elites" of the galaxy but finn and rose instantly got put in a cell so we hardly got to see the seedy underbelly of the rich of the galaxy - i think the best way of describing my disappointment is that its the only place in the film where the writing tells you what it thinks you should know rather than showing you which is less effective - i dont hate the sequence and i appreciate what its trying to do and in the end i can easily look beyond it because its the weakest part of what in my opinion is a phenomenal movie

5. Your explanation makes sense. I do have a question: what do you think would've happened if Poe followed through Leia's orders and retreated? That's something I really wonder about. As for Holdo's last stand, job well done. That was just............amazing.

im not really sure in hindsight but i guess they would have had a shot at some sort of defensive plan that stopped their leadership from being blown into space i suppose - they lost all their bombers and most of their fighters in the opening sequence (and then kylo killed the rest of them - what i really liked early on was how quickly i felt attached to characters who had a couple of lines or less - tallie (the leader of the fighter pilots) and paige (rose's sister who im not sure has a single line) - but you're right that i cant think concretely whether anything would have been different had poe not gone after the dreadnought (but then again how is he to know that he hadnt ruined the resistance's chances with his "recklessness")

6. You nailed it. The only other one I saw was mainly when TFA first came out: "why are there so many British actors?" At the end of the day, if said actor/actress fits the role, then by all means. Besides the Resistance, like the Rebels, had many different kinds of species. So why should we care about the races or genders? My only issue with Rose is when she crashed her plane to save Finn. So she had just enough energy to go on a little dialogue and kiss Finn before passing out? And why would Finn let her kiss him after being mad at her? Lol...I just didn't get that part, but whatever.

yeah that kiss felt a little forced/unearned but i dont see it as a SJW thing more of just a cinematic trope that they wanted to have in the film
 

Dom McRaven

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i dont think snoke will come back because narratively i think its more interesting if kylo ren is running the first order (and he'll likely have an apprentice or something - and i have to think we'll finally meet the knights of ren - there's a lot of uncertainty around the future possibilities surrounding the events of that throne room scene but i think the most daring thing for the franchise to do is to stick to what happened as fact i.e. rey should be nobody and snoke should be dead - those guards are praetorian guards modelled after the roman guards but more importantly are similar to the ceremonial guards you see in scenes with emperor palpatine in return of the jedi in his throne room - (the difference is that these guys are functional... as we saw in that awesome fight scene) - i liked kylo's mask but i also like how not having the mask allows for a better performance (adam driver's ability to emote and also control the minute details of his face is incredible - that eye twitch thing he does is so skilful) - what's crazy to think is that there was not one lightsaber on lightsaber battle in the last jedi - i really really really cant wait for kylo and rey to have their 1v1 duel just with all the layers it will have emotionally as well
I'm curious of the Knights of Ren. Is it gonna be something like Vader's Fist? Speaking of angry Kylo Ren, I loved how those stormtroopers hauled ass the other way after hearing Kylo going ape shit in TFA. I would've done the same thing lol. As for the one on one lightsaber battle, it's inevitable. If it doesn't happen, I'm knocking the film down at least 5 points. Better not disappoint us lol.
 
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