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Justdewinit20 said:
Meanwhile defensive players are terrified of Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara. Different situation that Watson is in now, he actually has talent around him.
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That is true but the way that he's schematically open is insane. This guy Sean Payton is an offensive mastermind and I would give up anything to have him here. Screw Harbaugh if we could get Sean Payton lol.
 
TheCity5 said:
That is true but the way that he's schematically open is insane. This guy Sean Payton is an offensive mastermind and I would give up anything to have him here. Screw Harbaugh if we could get Sean Payton lol.
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An offensive mastermind that couldn’t win more than 7 games for like 4 seasons.

He’s a good coach but it’s easy to look like an offensive mastermind when you have one of the greatest QBs of all time and a top 5 RB and a top 5 WR and a great Oline and other good weapons
 
DeVito52 said:
An offensive mastermind that couldn’t win more than 7 games for like 4 seasons.

He’s a good coach but it’s easy to look like an offensive mastermind when you have one of the greatest QBs of all time and a top 5 RB and a top 5 WR and a great Oline and other good weapons
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This just couldn't be further from the truth and in addition to it very misleading. It's weird how people flip the narrative. A top 5 WR? I recall many saying that he was a product of a system in another thread a while back. Yes, Thomas and Kamara are special players and the OL is great, and we know Drew Brees is good but please don't act like that offense has not been productive for a good decade. This isn't even the first time Payton has had an dominant offense, in fact it's pretty much a ritual in New Orleans.

The problem has obviously been their defense but does that all fall on Payton? I mean you have to put some of that on the Saints management, and Payton brings a dynamic offensive game and that has not gone away for years.

As far as Brees goes, he's a HOF and one of the greats in the game, but what did he do prior to his arrival in NO that was so special? He was a good QB but San Diego passed on him and went for Philip Rivers. By the time he blew up in New Orleans he was I think 29 in his 8th season in the league. You don't think Payton had anything to do with that? Nothing at all? He absolutely is an offensive mastermind who deserve a hell of a lot of credit and might win his 2nd SB this year.
 
TheCity5 said:
This just couldn't be further from the truth and in addition to it very misleading. It's weird how people flip the narrative. A top 5 WR? I recall you saying that he was a product of a system in another thread a while back. Yes, Thomas and Kamara are special players and the OL is great, and we know Drew Brees is good but please don't act like that offense has not been productive for a good decade. This isn't even the first time Payton has had an dominant offense, in fact it's pretty much a ritual in New Orleans.

The problem has obviously been their defense but does that all fall on Payton? I mean you have to put some of that on the Saints management, and Payton brings a dynamic offensive game and that has not gone away for years.

As far as Brees goes, he's a HOF and one of the greats in the game, but what did he do prior to his arrival in NO that was so special? He was a good QB but San Diego passed on him and went for Philip Rivers. By the time he blew up in New Orleans he was I think 29 in his 8th season in the league. You don't think Payton had anything to do with that? Nothing at all? He absolutely is an offensive mastermind who deserve a hell of a lot of credit and might win his 2nd SB this year.
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Please. Please. Pull up those quotes. I’m begging you. Don’t put fucking words in my mouth. I’ve said on many occasions that Thomas is in the same tier as AJ and Mike Evans, I only argued when people said he was the best in the league. Because he’s not. Top 5 is very different. Don’t hit me with that “I recall” bullshit.
 
DeVito52 said:
Please. Please. Pull up those quotes. I’m begging you. Don’t put fucking words in my mouth. I’ve said on many occasions that Thomas is in the same tier as AJ and Mike Evans, I only argued when people said he was the best in the league. Because he’s not. Top 5 is very different. Don’t hit me with that “I recall” bullshit.
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I've edited my post before you responded. It wasn't you but it was someone else but by all means either respond to the post with a counter point or we can forget about this discussion.
 
JO_75 said:
I think it's safe to say Harbs isn't going anywhere until Black Monday. I'm looking at our schedule, playoffs are still within in reach as long as coaching doesn't get in the way. If we can beat Cincy, then the Oakland Tank... I mean Raiders we'll be 6-5. At that point, we'll have back to back road games against Atlanta and KC, followed by Tampa followed by the Chargers before finishing with the Browns. We'll need to upset ONE of either KC or Atlanta in order to stay in the playoff race. Knowing our luck, Joey Bosa will return for our game and wreck havoc on our offensive line and we'll lose to the Chargers. I'm thinking we may rebound and have to go into week 17 again, in a do or die situation or hoping some other team loses for us to get in.
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idk - we need to go 6-1 just to have a shot at the 6th seed - im not sure its within reach - ive not given up but im not hopeful either
 
Justdewinit20 said:
Why would any team fire their head coach if they don’t believe that there is a better one available? It’s simple business you hire someone that can improve or at least do the same job as the guy you just fired. Who exactly is the coach that is ready to come in and help Lamar? John Defelippo? Harbaugh is signed until 2019. Not his fault that the front office has been awful at bringing in players. If Harbaugh has had a say in who to draft then I can say he should be fired, but at the end of the day it’s still Ozzie’s decisions on who to draft. I called it before the season began, it was not a good roster and our schedule on top of that is just brutal.
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but there are tons of intriguing candidates already out there + the coordinator/positional coach who no one has even thought of yet a la Frank Reich...
not firing john just because you're unsure who would come in is not really that sensible an idea - the whole point of these guys is that they come and pitch their vision for lamar and the ravens to us in their HC interview...

you dont pre-hire the successor to harbs before harbs has left unless you're promoting in house (and i wouldnt advise that given who we've got and that the last couple of in house elevations i can think of were dirk koetter and ben mcadoo)
 
DeVito52 said:
An offensive mastermind that couldn’t win more than 7 games for like 4 seasons.

He’s a good coach but it’s easy to look like an offensive mastermind when you have one of the greatest QBs of all time and a top 5 RB and a top 5 WR and a great Oline and other good weapons
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but their offence was still legit even without those weapons - they had a lack of talent on defence for years from bad drafting...

and i will die on this michael thomas being in the top 3 type receiver conversation
if i were starting a franchise today and i could have any RB and any receiver im taking michael thomas and either kamara or gurley (but probably kamara)
 
rossihunter2 said:
but there are tons of intriguing candidates already out there + the coordinator/positional coach who no one has even thought of yet a la Frank Reich...
not firing john just because you're unsure who would come in is not really that sensible an idea - the whole point of these guys is that they come and pitch their vision for lamar and the ravens to us in their HC interview...

you dont pre-hire the successor to harbs before harbs has left unless you're promoting in house (and i wouldnt advise that given who we've got and that the last couple of in house elevations i can think of were dirk koetter and ben mcadoo)
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I’d really like to know who you have in mind as the next head coach because I can’t name anyone with a resume that should be the next head coach of the Ravens. Frank Reich has had tons of expierence being an OC and head coached very good offenses with the Chargers and Eagles. Again the issue is mostly talent, coaching definitely can be improved, but I don’t see any options this upcoming offseason.
 
Harbaugh probably would succeed in Cleveland. But that’s because they have a great GM!
 
Justdewinit20 said:
I’d really like to know who you have in mind as the next head coach because I can’t name anyone with a resume that should be the next head coach of the Ravens. Frank Reich has had tons of expierence being an OC and head coached very good offenses with the Chargers and Eagles. Again the issue is mostly talent, coaching definitely can be improved, but I don’t see any options this upcoming offseason.
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here's a list i formulated elsewhere just of the top offensive options for HCs who are already out there:

John DeFilippo
Lincoln Riley
Dan Campbell
Matt LaFleur
Chris Peterson

(Eric Bieniemy
Mike Kafka) - these guys are dark horse options who've been mentioned around the league but im not sure whether they are candidates for this year or not...

and then there's a ton of defensive minded guys too
 
I remember when Kafka was a QB.

I feel like Chris Peterson would be a really good fit here. He's a hell of a recruiter(which means he has a legit eye for talent, unlike Harbaugh) and has learned how to get the best out of the talent around him. Whether he'd be working with Flacco or Jackson, either would be far and away the most talented QB he's ever worked with. He's always been a good offensive mind too. I'll be writing an article this week about how we should build the offense for Jackson for the future. I think defensively we are another good pass rusher away from having a top tier unit.
 
rossihunter2 said:
but their offence was still legit even without those weapons - they had a lack of talent on defence for years from bad drafting...

and i will die on this michael thomas being in the top 3 type receiver conversation
if i were starting a franchise today and i could have any RB and any receiver im taking michael thomas and either kamara or gurley (but probably kamara)
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You could make a case for Thomas being 3rd. But no chance I’d ever take Thomas over Julio or Hopkins. And I’d take a few RBs before I’d take Gurley.
 
DeVito52 said:
You could make a case for Thomas being 3rd. But no chance I’d ever take Thomas over Julio or Hopkins. And I’d take a few RBs before I’d take Gurley.
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at the moment id say Nuke and Thomas are 1 and 2 in the nfl and they've separated themselves from AB, Julio and OBJ

who would you take in stead of gurley?
 
DeVito52 said:
You could make a case for Thomas being 3rd. But no chance I’d ever take Thomas over Julio or Hopkins. And I’d take a few RBs before I’d take Gurley.
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I swore it was you who got mad at me when I said he was top 3-5. Could be wrong.
 
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