Imagine if they were pats fans lol.. only reason why i hate brady
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The Battling, The Injuries and More Injuries
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I really don't want to imagine that.
But the score was 15-24.. it wasnt gonna be no OT after that failed one
QuothTheRaven
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No, we were talking hypotheticals at this point, not the game. There's a weird analytics quirk that says if you're down 14 and score, you should go for 2 because it makes you more likely to win.
which is fine in other sports but there's very little value in a "tie" in the NFL
so you maximise your chances of going to OT where your chance of winning is likely around 50% (before the coin toss) and that's if you even make it there
OURavensFan
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It very clearly is a debate, unless everyone knows better than Cowhwed, Simms and Boomer
the point of going for 2 the first time around is that it still gives you a decent chance of getting to OT even if you miss the first 2 pt attempt but it gives you a much better chance of winning than playing for OT does
that's why this was specifically referencing the down 14 pt scenario and not the earlier scenario we were talking about
We were never down 14 Points.
We were down 15 points at 24-9. Scored a TD and went for 2. If we get the 2 PTs we would be down 24-17 and have the ability to tie the game and go into overtime.
yes - those dinosaurs are not coaches anymore for a reason
they do not like analytics, they do not like the idea of analytics - so they don't take the time to learn about any of these things that don't make sense to them
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Simms and boomer never coached and played in an era that is entirely foreign to what football is now, cowhers credentials are no better than harbaughs and he coached in an era where you didn’t need an elite qb to win a super bowl.
I could give a fuck what they say lol, they are there to talk, not because of their wisdom.
OURavensFan
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Insert appeal to authority arguments. That’s my response
Except I would dare to ask how many games you have your backup QB with limited game experience who has struggled to put a real drive together finally put a drive together in this situation and on the other side an offense that has not really been a threat all day.
I love analytics but the amount of relevant game situations to the ones the Ravens were in are almost certainly not enough to make a statistically significant sample size.
At the end of the day the game came down to said QB, and the offense overall, being able to make a few plays in crunch time and they simply could not do it.
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
Understood but the conversation actually moved towards 14 points.
QuothTheRaven
Veteran
The game situation is completely irrelevant to the basic fact that said QB has to make a 2pt conversion at some point. I don't buy this idea that NFL players are wilting flowers whose spirits can be crushed by not making the conversion - and Huntley showed us this isn't the case by leading another TD drive. Trying for two early gave us a chance to adjust to the failed conversion. There is nothing special about attempting two on the second try that raises his chances of converting, the only difference is that there is then no chance to correct the mistake.
Except time after time after time after time we have seen the effect momentum has on games. We have seen the effect especially on young inexperience players. You are right that Huntley looked okay (after a mess in between) after, but this is one of those times I think you want to take the win on a drive and delay the point of no return as long as possible.
SaltyDog
MVP
Yeah and to think a couple weeks ago were the best division in AFC. Lol. Shit changes fast in the NFL.