did he stall out in the playoffs or did the offence just stop executing? coz i remember a large number of plays where receivers flat out dropped the ball on 3rd downs and on bombs etc.
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The 2022 Offseason Thread
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did he stall out in the playoffs or did the offence just stop executing? coz i remember a large number of plays where receivers flat out dropped the ball on 3rd downs and on bombs etc.
exactly - i dont think roman's offence in 2021 was inspiring but we thought he should be given a chance to develop the offence and the passing game and early this year it looked pretty great until the injury bug took too much and lamar hit the slump
so rationally it makes a lot of sense to call this year a mulligan - take the challenges we can learn from (like our struggles with cover-0) and continue to develop this passing game with the RB element that we missed and with the emergence of bateman and the ascendance of andrews and lamar's improved mechanics and hopefully with a better offensive line
and if the offence sputters (especially coming out of the gates) then roman probably doesnt make it to 2023 because he either gets replaced in-season or they decide to go in a different direction next offseason
and dropped passes that turned into interceptions and not executing on 4th down on two occasions. It's more about the execution than the coach. Of course the offense as a whole had a ton of yards.
so like roman's offence then...
Michael M.
Pro Bowler
Oh, is that what that is? Lol
we just happened to get a couple of guys nursing niggles that we hadnt had to deal with all year and faced a titans team that smacked us in the mouth where we were weak (with mekari and bozeman at C and LG) - we had more than enough schematic and called answers that day
as you say - we just didnt execute enough of them in critical situations... we got somewhat close to doubling the titans offensive output but went 0-4 on 4th down, 1-4 in the redzone (where the titans went 3-3) and turned the ball over 3 times
our only playoff win the last 4 years has come when guys found a way to make a play (lamar's 50 yard td run, MP's INT) in our losses it's been lots of "not quite" in those key situations
did you not watch the first half of the season? we had the deepest passing attack in the league
roman's passing attack has always been vertical... even with tyrod taylor and the bills
redrum52
Hall of Famer
Funny you mention the Niners. Kap had his best year *checks notes* 2nd season. From thereafter a slight decline. Won't put that all on Roman though because Baalke stinks as a gm. He was with the Bills a whopping year and a half before being fired. Everyone has already said he's great for a quick turnaround but then what? What is the point of keeping him? What is he bringing to the table beside "stability".
And a unit getting worse after multiple changes in consecutive years doesn't mean that the person before was a great coach when the FO is building for what they think YOU need as a coordinator.
Michael M.
Pro Bowler
You're right they had their moments, but why did they stop? Even before Lamar got hurt. All I recall are those quick side passes to Brown or a RB when they got immediately buried. I grew to hate that call.
SepticeyePoe
Hall of Famer
I feel the same, it's just time for a change.
What we saw before last year was improvement every single year. Yes Lamar didnt look like his MVP form in 2020 but he was never going to replicate that. That was just not practical but he did grow as a passer and looked better and the Ravens got further in the playoffs again. The fact that they lost the core of their identity this year before it even started and they were still okay until the defense also fell apart tells me what he is capable of as a coach.
They were starting RBs who were last competent the year Lamar was drafted and the offense wasnt terrible. They were out their LT and replaced him with an over the hill backup and were still fine offensively. That the Ravens looked as good as they did for as long as they did is a sign of just how a coaching job was done this year. I am trying to imagine how any other coaching staff could have gotten more out of the offense and I am really struggling to see it.
They do not have to pull a Buffalo and draft a new QB or SF and just be terrible for 4-5 years because hopefully the Ravens learned from those teams mistakes.
i do believe the offence started sputtering very coincidentally with when patrick mekari got hurt and we ran out of offensive tackles...
and then a week later the dolphins came to town with their cover-0 looks and the deep passing disappeared completely
not defending - just contextualising
if people are going to criticise him and the offence - be accurate
Michael M.
Pro Bowler
Yeah, that Dolphins game seemed to be the beginning of the end. I don't hate Roman, but I don't have confidence in his play calling, especially in the red zone. I have as much confidence in his play red zone calling as I do in Harbaugh's clock management, both get shakey.
Dom McRaven
Hall of Famer
I hope my name is at the top of the list lol. But in all seriousness, my explanation isn't me defending Roman, per se. It's more of "Okay, he's not gonna fired because look at x, y, and z." Also, I did state that our offense turns into mid, he's gone so that's that.
JAAM
Hall of Famer
it's really only 3 people off the top of my head lol. one is the village smart ass and the other two rarely post
Davesta
Ravens Ring of Honor
Continuity is forced upon them. It’s in their blood. The Harbs mighty men army grows stronger by the day.
We need more warriors like Agent 89, if we hope to stand a chance.
that's patently false - harbs is one of the better clock managers in the league
and roman's redzone playcalling is mostly pretty good - there've been a few notable brain farts and this year has been somewhat uninspiring all around but we've been pretty good at converting in the redzone (even in 2021 with all the injuries we've ended up around the middle of the league in redzone efficiency - obviously we want to finish more drives especially at the end of the season where we struggled but that's not awful)