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The Movie Thread

Nurps said:
Joaquin Phoenix as The Joker in a stand-alone movie? Yes, please.
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We already saw the man go fake crazy. It’d be ideal. Though I didn’t hate Leto’s take on the character. Hard to have a good performance when the script is horrid
 
BloodRaven said:
All the single ladies..
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i swear half the reason the box office is so large for 50 shades pictures is because its a "popular" couples film... whenever ive been in the cinema around the same time its never seemed that much like a singles dominated film except as ludy said... 50+ and drunk
 
Ludy51 said:
There were husbands and boyfriends too, but they're just getting ammo for infinity war
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Dude, they're only putting up with this because they will be up on them in a few hours after the movie..

Believe me. Been there, done that. God fifty shades darker was stupid.
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
Dude, they're only putting up with this because they will be up on them in a few hours after the movie..

Believe me. Been there, done that. God fifty shades darker was stupid.
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I don't want to accept that, both because it's monumentally stupid, and the mess has to be cleaned up, guess who has to do that?
 
Ludy51 said:
I don't want to accept that, both because it's monumentally stupid, and the mess has to be cleaned up, guess who has to do that?
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I think you misunderstood my joke. Besides it'd be very creepy if you followed these people home from the theater and cleaned up that mess :P
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
I think you misunderstood my joke. Besides it'd be very creepy if you followed these people home from the theater and cleaned up that mess :p
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I'm not talking about after they leave the theater...

More the process of-*cough*-Getting worked up after a trip to the produce section of their local Wal-Mart
(Yes that did happen)
 
Ludy51 said:
Public porn, that's all it is.
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it's not very good porn - a group of friends and i decided to watch it for shiggles and we struggled - especially given the recent stuff about abuse coming out about abuse in hollywood it was weird watching coded abuse through the film and be glorified as exciting and sexy and fantastic - it's not even close to a sexy relationship (not to mention the sex involved is incredibly vanilla and boring anyway - not sure what these 50+ women are getting out of it given that there's no male nudity either...)

like it's actually horrific watching it play out - it really rang true of an abusive relationship that a friend of mine is stuck in and the manipulation, possessiveness, obsession and danger the film portrays as sexy and fantastical just rang so many alarm bells for a few of us - the film bordered on upsetting tbh

this isnt me having a go at BDSM or bondage or any of that because that can be a perfectly healthy fetish if that's what both partners are into but throughout the first film christian grey tests anastasia's boundaries and overrides her consent at various points, he allows her no space, no relationships that arent okayed by him, no freedom - he is possessive, obssessive, jealous and doesnt show her any respect or mutual benefit - and the film's response to this is that it's all fine because even though she doesnt like it, he's really sexy and rich so everything he does that's wrong and unhealthy and dangerous is fine...

the tone is all wrong because the way christian grey is written he should be tonally depicted as some sort of almost-serial killer who you're not quite sure about, it should be portrayed from anastasia's point of view and it should be about how she's dealing with his obsessions and manipulations and gaslighting of her and how she tries to escape that toxic abusive relationship

but no it's just mummy porn... with a pretty good soundtrack

maybe it's just me

this from a psychologist:

"Christian Grey was terribly neglected. He is confused about love because he never experienced the real thing. In his mind, love is tangled up with bad feelings like pain and embarrassment. Christian enjoys hurting women in bizarre ways. Anastasia is an immature girl who falls for Christian's looks and wealth, and foolishly goes along with his desires.

In the real world, this story would end badly, with Christian in jail, and Ana in a shelter — or morgue. Or Christian would continue beating Ana, and she'd stay and suffer. Either way, their lives would most definitely not be a fairy tale."

"The movie is actually about a sick, dangerous relationship filled with physical and emotional abuse."

sorry for this mini-essay - i just genuinely dont understand the hype around this film/book series - because to me the characters/plotting/relationships in this series are outrageously destructive, unhealthy and abusive yet they are held up and glorified...
 
rossihunter2 said:
it's not very good porn - a group of friends and i decided to watch it for shiggles and we struggled - especially given the recent stuff about abuse coming out about abuse in hollywood it was weird watching coded abuse through the film and be glorified as exciting and sexy and fantastic - it's not even close to a sexy relationship (not to mention the sex involved is incredibly vanilla and boring anyway - not sure what these 50+ women are getting out of it given that there's no male nudity either...)

like it's actually horrific watching it play out - it really rang true of an abusive relationship that a friend of mine is stuck in and the manipulation, possessiveness, obsession and danger the film portrays as sexy and fantastical just rang so many alarm bells for a few of us - the film bordered on upsetting tbh

this isnt me having a go at BDSM or bondage or any of that because that can be a perfectly healthy fetish if that's what both partners are into but throughout the first film christian grey tests anastasia's boundaries and overrides her consent at various points, he allows her no space, no relationships that arent okayed by him, no freedom - he is possessive, obssessive, jealous and doesnt show her any respect or mutual benefit - and the film's response to this is that it's all fine because even though she doesnt like it, he's really sexy and rich so everything he does that's wrong and unhealthy and dangerous is fine...

the tone is all wrong because the way christian grey is written he should be tonally depicted as some sort of almost-serial killer who you're not quite sure about, it should be portrayed from anastasia's point of view and it should be about how she's dealing with his obsessions and manipulations and gaslighting of her and how she tries to escape that toxic abusive relationship

but no it's just mummy porn... with a pretty good soundtrack

maybe it's just me

this from a psychologist:

"Christian Grey was terribly neglected. He is confused about love because he never experienced the real thing. In his mind, love is tangled up with bad feelings like pain and embarrassment. Christian enjoys hurting women in bizarre ways. Anastasia is an immature girl who falls for Christian's looks and wealth, and foolishly goes along with his desires.

In the real world, this story would end badly, with Christian in jail, and Ana in a shelter — or morgue. Or Christian would continue beating Ana, and she'd stay and suffer. Either way, their lives would most definitely not be a fairy tale."

"The movie is actually about a sick, dangerous relationship filled with physical and emotional abuse."

sorry for this mini-essay - i just genuinely dont understand the hype around this film/book series - because to me the characters/plotting/relationships in this series are outrageously destructive, unhealthy and abusive yet they are held up and glorified...
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Makes sense, considering it started as twilight fanfiction
 
Ludy51 said:
Makes sense, considering it started as twilight fanfiction
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i mean but as derided as twilight is it's not the absolute worst - it's pretty bad but its just kind of fine - its problematic but qualitatively its fine

50 shades of grey takes the problematic parts of twilight (i.e. its depiction of relationships and chastity and femininity) and adds sex and intimate violence and even more manipulation and takes away trust and any idea of consent

twilight's not great but 50 shades is in an entirely different league - twilight is problematic but acceptable storytelling - 50 shades is disgusting storytelling that's not really ok...
 
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